The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of of
CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD player, but
now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit that
should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of music I
want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your turntable.
In the past I had a couple of turntables with different cartridges mounted
in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points that resulted in them
giving more enjoyment on a particular type of music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I achieved
from my old turntables.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:36:04 +1000, "APR"
wrote:

I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of of
CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD player, but
now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit that
should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of music I
want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your turntable.
In the past I had a couple of turntables with different cartridges mounted
in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points that resulted in them
giving more enjoyment on a particular type of music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I achieved
from my old turntables.


That has already been done for you by the producers of the CDs. They
are designed and produced to sound at their "best" on a non-fiddling
CD player. CD players don't have the same failings as all that
mechanical gubbins in a vinyl playback system and there is no need to
make any changes to suit different music types.

Just press the "go" button and enjoy the music.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.

--
*If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"APR" wrote in message
...
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of of
CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD player,
but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points that
resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player.



Yes - graphic equaliser and tone controls. After that, you're stuffed....


I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Geddaway.....

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Don Pearce wrote:
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:36:04 +1000, "APR"
wrote:

I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of of
CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD player, but
now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit that
should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of music I
want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your turntable.
In the past I had a couple of turntables with different cartridges mounted
in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points that resulted in them
giving more enjoyment on a particular type of music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I achieved
from my old turntables.


That has already been done for you by the producers of the CDs. They
are designed and produced to sound at their "best" on a non-fiddling
CD player.


While this is true for a few small specialty labels in general it
couldn't be much further from the truth. In this day of loudness wars
the music is the casualty.


CD players don't have the same failings as all that
mechanical gubbins in a vinyl playback system and there is no need to
make any changes to suit different music types.

Just press the "go" button and enjoy the music.

Seems he already did that and wasn't happy. First find the better
mastered CDs then get them. A great source for information is Steve
Hoffman's music forum.



Scott

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.


Scott

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


No wonder you're keeping your speakers such a secret.....

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....

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A link of interest.....

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...CDformats2.php

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APR wrote:
A link of interest.....

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/...CDformats2.php



I couldn't figure out what was being compared here (probably because I
couldn't find Parts 1-3 of LP v CD) but I think he's comparing a
commercial LP with a commercial CD. Given that these will have been
mastered differently, a direct comparison in this way tells you nothing.
Now if you were to take exactly the same source material, stick it on
CD and LP, then compare, I suspect you would see something different.

Re. noise floor. I agree that the brain does a great job of filtering
out the rubbish - vinyl whoosh, clicks and pops, not to mention
pre-Dolby tape hiss on AAD CDs. I'd rather it wasn't there in the first
place though.

Roy.

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.


The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to
hear just how *blurry* most CDs are.....

This from the one who puts up with a crap listening room.
A decent room makes far more difference to the listening experience than
the nuances between CD and LP.

--
*Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off NOW.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.


The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to
hear just how *blurry* most CDs are.....

This from the one who puts up with a crap listening room.
A decent room makes far more difference to the listening experience than
the nuances between CD and LP.


You only hear 'nuances'.....???

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 11:04:53 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

This from the one who puts up with a crap listening room.
A decent room makes far more difference to the listening experience than
the nuances between CD and LP.


You only hear 'nuances'.....???

If you ignore rumble and surface noise :-)

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


No wonder you're keeping your speakers such a secret.....


Most here have mentioned their system/amp/speakers at some time
or other. Some people have sent pics, and some are posted on
the site which Nick looks after. Valve amp fettlers even send
schematics! But Dave's set up remains a dark mystery. Why?


--
Iain
www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


No wonder you're keeping your speakers such a secret.....


Most here have mentioned their system/amp/speakers at some time
or other. Some people have sent pics, and some are posted on
the site which Nick looks after. Valve amp fettlers even send
schematics! But Dave's set up remains a dark mystery. Why?



Because he discovered a while back that 'Camionnette Blanche' wasn't the
name of a posh French manufacturer after all.....!! :-)

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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Most here have mentioned their system/amp/speakers at some time
or other. Some people have sent pics, and some are posted on
the site which Nick looks after. Valve amp fettlers even send
schematics! But Dave's set up remains a dark mystery. Why?

Well, I'm listening to R4 DAB off the house balanced distribution system
via home assembled LS 3/5A and a Linsey Hood 75 watt amp while I type.
Would you like to know what the sound system is in each bathroom? Toilet?
Workshop? Kitchen? Guest bedrooms?

Not that it would give you much idea of what it sounds like as so much of
it is custom designed and built.

What do you have at home, Iain?

--
*I started out with nothing... and I still have most of it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Most here have mentioned their system/amp/speakers at some time
or other. Some people have sent pics, and some are posted on
the site which Nick looks after. Valve amp fettlers even send
schematics! But Dave's set up remains a dark mystery. Why?

Well, I'm listening to R4 DAB off the house balanced distribution system
via home assembled LS 3/5A and a Linsey Hood 75 watt amp while I type.
Would you like to know what the sound system is in each bathroom? Toilet?
Workshop? Kitchen? Guest bedrooms?

You probably mean Lindsey Hood?

Not that it would give you much idea of what it sounds like as so much of
it is custom designed and built.

What do you have at home, Iain?

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...omesystem.html

Over the years I have collected several sets of monitors, Kef K1
(large floor standers built for the BBC) , Tannoy Lancasters, and
JBL Century. plus B+W 800 series which I borrow from the firm
now and again. I can muster a Studer D730 CD player, plus two
prof Denon CD players, and a couple of others. Garrard 401, SME,
Shure V15/III. Leevers Rich E200 and lots of other interesting
bits and pieces.

In addition, I have a workshop listening area of 50 sq metres,
with a choice of amps, valve and SS including Radford STA 100,
a pair of Leak TL12s, and right at the other end of the spectrum
a Crown Macrotech 5002 VZ which can drive 2.5KW into
2 Ohms continuously, at THD 0.08% It's a concert amp,
which takes over where amps like the Krell leave off:-) Add
to this anything which might be on the bench at the time. The
workshop has two pairs of Tannoy Lancasters. It's a former
shooting range - a concrete bunker so I can enjoy Jethro
Tull at 0300 without annoying anyone:-)

With the exception of a pair or two of monitors which
occasionally find themselves in my tender loving care,
the firm's equipment is totally separate from my own.


*I started out with nothing... and I still have most of it.

Well, you do have a "Linsey" Hood :-)))

Cheers

Iain

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.

Iain

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In article , Iain Churches
writes

"Keith G" wrote in message
.. .

wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.


Yes.. is that a fault of the digital system as such, or what's put into it?....

--
Tony Sayer

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits
of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am
not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.



Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that final sharpness, be
it sound or images....

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits
of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong
points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am
not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to
hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.



Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that final sharpness,
be it sound or images....



Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:45:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Possibly. But images are a poor analogy. Beware of pseudo-science.

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In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
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Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue? Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'?? As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)

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Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue

It can be. It almost certainly WAS digital at some point in its
journey. If broadcasters prefer channel-count to quality, so what?


Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Not yet. But it will be.

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

OK, so someone half-deaf prefers analogue. Or was he just saying
"Hey! Analogue isn't THAT bad after all! Not a patch on digital
though!" :-)

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tony sayer wrote:
In article , Iain Churches
writes

"Keith G" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and greatest budget CD
player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the different types
of
music I want to play. You know how you can change the cartridge in
your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables with different
cartridges mounted in each, and each cartridge had it's strong points
that resulted in them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the CD player that I
achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang them over the
speakers. Several thicknesses should do what you want - but experiment
with different types of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem to be able to hear
just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most common complaint.


Yes.. is that a fault of the digital system as such, or what's put into it?....


Depends on the CD. If we are talking about some of the older ones from
the eighties and late nineties the harsh quality IMO was often due to
the available A/D converters. many a CD was simply a flat transfer with
inadequate equipment leading to bad sound. OTOH I'd say the vast
majority of crappy sounding CDs these days are due to the loudness
wars. That would be completely unrelated to red bok limitations.

Scott

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Laurence Payne wrote:
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:45:31 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Possibly. But images are a poor analogy. Beware of pseudo-science.


Why? there is no scientific claim in analogies that involve an
aesthetic experience.


Scott

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Depends on the CD. If we are talking about some of the
older ones from the eighties and late nineties the harsh
quality IMO was often due to the available A/D
converters.

Trouble is Scott, your opinions aren't worth any more than your lawsuits!

There isn't much technological connection between DACs from the eighties and
late ninetys, as there was a paradigm shift to sigma-delta converters in the
early nineties. Fact is that perfectly adequate converters were available
in both decades. The major change that sigma-delta technology wrought
related to cost.

many a CD was simply a flat transfer with
inadequate equipment leading to bad sound.

More evidence that Scott knows nada about the meaning of the word mastering,
or when its use is indicated.

OTOH I'd say
the vast majority of crappy sounding CDs these days are
due to the loudness wars. That would be completely
unrelated to red bok limitations.

Finally, some relevant truth. Ironic coming from a guy who can't hear the
limitations of vinyl, but likes to harp on the non-existent audible
limiations of the Red Book standard.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
APR wrote:
I recently, after reading all the posts debating the
various merits of
of CD and LP, went out and bought the latest and
greatest budget CD player, but now have a problem.

I am having difficulty determining how to change the
what-see-me-jiggit
that should allow me to tailor the sound to suit the
different types of
music I want to play. You know how you can change
the cartridge in your
turntable. In the past I had a couple of turntables
with different cartridges mounted in each, and each
cartridge had it's strong points that resulted in
them giving more enjoyment on a particular type of
music.

Is there any way to achieve the same result with a
CD player. I am not
achieving the same nostalgic satisfaction from the
CD player that I achieved from my old turntables.

Best way is to get a selection of blankets and hang
them over the speakers. Several thicknesses should do
what you want - but experiment with different types
of music.


Sadly, this will actually help with many CDs.



The trouble with people like Plowie is they don't seem
to be able to hear just how *blurry* most CDs are.....


Overbright with limited dynamic seems to be the most
common complaint.



Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that
final sharpness, be it sound or images....

....as opposed to the ever-so-common analog mud.

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In article , Keith G
writes

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , Keith G
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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

It most certainly isn't as it is now broadcast both digital telly and
radio. But then again Keith CD's aren't produced with an MPEG coder
which throws away a lot of info and leaves some of its own!...

Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Dunno but the piccys the wife now produces **** over anything with at
Ashi Pentax she once had;)...

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)





--
Tony Sayer

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:50:11 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

Dunno but the piccys the wife now produces **** over anything with at
Ashi Pentax she once had;)...

Really? Because of the medium, you feel?

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that final
sharpness, be it sound or images....

So an LP made from a digital master tape will too?

--
*Before they invented drawing boards, what did they go back to?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 19:57:15 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

Keith G wrote:
Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers that final
sharpness, be it sound or images....

I wasn't sure if "sharpness" was something he liked or something he
didn't.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 09:35:15 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Most here have mentioned their system/amp/speakers at some time
or other. Some people have sent pics, and some are posted on
the site which Nick looks after. Valve amp fettlers even send
schematics! But Dave's set up remains a dark mystery. Why?

Well, I'm listening to R4 DAB off the house balanced distribution system
via home assembled LS 3/5A and a Linsey Hood 75 watt amp while I type.
Would you like to know what the sound system is in each bathroom? Toilet?
Workshop? Kitchen? Guest bedrooms?

You probably mean Lindsey Hood?


Perhaps he meant Linsley Hood?

*I started out with nothing... and I still have most of it.

Well, you do have a "Linsey" Hood :-)))

Cheers

Iain

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:43:16 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

That rather depends on what variety of TV your talking about and where
in the distribution chain your viewing it, but at the point of origin
professional digital 625/50 production equipment is better in all
respects than the analogue version.

Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Yes. There are very good arguments to say that something like a Canon
5D or 1DS produces sharper pictures than the 35mm equivalent in the
real world, rather than the world were every picture is taken with
25ASA Kodachrome on a tripod.

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)

I rather understood that astronomical imaging had used digital imaging
for many years.

Bill

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

In article , Bill Taylor
writes
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:43:16 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

That rather depends on what variety of TV your talking about and where
in the distribution chain your viewing it, but at the point of origin
professional digital 625/50 production equipment is better in all
respects than the analogue version.

Interesting point... where exactly is it digitised?.

And remind us of the bitrates used;)

Anyone care to claim that 'digital photography' is sharper than
'wet film'??

Yes. There are very good arguments to say that something like a Canon
5D or 1DS produces sharper pictures than the 35mm equivalent in the
real world, rather than the world were every picture is taken with
25ASA Kodachrome on a tripod.

As to the *sharpness* of LP over CD, even my 'deaf in one ear'
neighbour (who uses CDs all the time) commented on the clarity of the
'analogue sound' from my kit once - and that was before the Lowthers.....

(No experience of aerial or astronomical photography myself, but I suspect
it would pretty much follow suit using comparable equipment and
methods....???)

I rather understood that astronomical imaging had used digital imaging
for many years.

Bill

--
Tony Sayer

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom.? writes
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 17:50:11 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

Dunno but the piccys the wife now produces **** over anything with at
Ashi Pentax she once had;)...

Really? Because of the medium, you feel?

Dunno.. but all I do know is the technical quality of the images on
screen and on print seem to be far better then what she used to produce.
And for that matter I've just bought a second hand Fuji finepix for
using in the car when out on site , piccy is worth more that a thousand
words etc, and the pictures on that are excellent:)

In fact on the wife's case the advent of digital has taken her interest
in photography and I must say I've been rather impressed with her
efforts:-))

I used to play about with colour photo printing some while ago and
in general digital seems better then what I remember the piccy quality
we got.. all of which is rather unscientific!...
--
Tony Sayer

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:06:48 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Bill Taylor
writes
On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 15:43:16 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
wrote:

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

Take 2:

Look and listen closely - digital stuff all suffers from the loss of
that final sharpness, be it sound or images....

Alas, no matter how many 'takes' you make, your theory disagrees with my
experience. :-)



Word Insertion Technique noted - 'theory'...??

My *experience* disagrees with yours and my opinion is shared here.

Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

That rather depends on what variety of TV your talking about and where
in the distribution chain your viewing it, but at the point of origin
professional digital 625/50 production equipment is better in all
respects than the analogue version.

Interesting point... where exactly is it digitised?.

Well the CCU output is available as SDI but I don't know enough about
modern cameras to say where in the camera the digitisation takes
place, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was fairly early in the
signal chain and some of the processing was done digitally.

And remind us of the bitrates used;)

About 270Mbps for standard def.

Although I know you don't like transmitted digital TV (and I wish the
bitrates were higher), it is an impressive feat to achieve a nearly
100:1 compression ratio and still get pretty good pictures most of the
time.

Bill

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

In article ,
Bill Taylor wrote:
Anybody care to claim 'digital radio' or 'digital TV' is sharper than
analogue?

That rather depends on what variety of TV your talking about and where
in the distribution chain your viewing it, but at the point of origin
professional digital 625/50 production equipment is better in all
respects than the analogue version.

Yes. Most progs are taped, and Digibeta is just head and shoulders above
the analogue systems it replaced. Particularly the sound. ;-)

--
*I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

The advantage of vinyl playback systems
 

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 22:06:48 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

That rather depends on what variety of TV your talking about and where
in the distribution chain your viewing it, but at the point of origin
professional digital 625/50 production equipment is better in all
respects than the analogue version.

Interesting point... where exactly is it digitised?.

I'd assume the mixing console was digital these days?