In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom.? writes

I had a good mate - sadly now deceased - who got a great deal of pleasure
out of home colour printing. Just because something is difficult to
achieve well doesn't make it thankless - quite the reverse, often.

So did I. (Only he's still breathing, last time I looked.) He too
took great pleasure in the technical process. Eventually he realised
he was spending a LOT of time and money to be almost as good as the
machine at the camera shop :-) I had less money to burn and stuck
to black & white. Until digital came along I don't think I'd ever
shot in colour. Now the process is trivial and I enjoy making
photographs.

There's some audiophile analogies in there somewhere :-)

The problem with the colour process is the number of stages and the
requirement for keeping the whole lot at the right temperatures etc all
in all dictates a home lab setup, unlike monochrome where it can all be
done in the bathroom
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Tony Sayer

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:28:58 +0100, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Laurence Payne
lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom.? writes

I had a good mate - sadly now deceased - who got a great deal of pleasure
out of home colour printing. Just because something is difficult to
achieve well doesn't make it thankless - quite the reverse, often.

So did I. (Only he's still breathing, last time I looked.) He too
took great pleasure in the technical process. Eventually he realised
he was spending a LOT of time and money to be almost as good as the
machine at the camera shop :-) I had less money to burn and stuck
to black & white. Until digital came along I don't think I'd ever
shot in colour. Now the process is trivial and I enjoy making
photographs.

There's some audiophile analogies in there somewhere :-)

The problem with the colour process is the number of stages and the
requirement for keeping the whole lot at the right temperatures etc all
in all dictates a home lab setup, unlike monochrome where it can all be
done in the bathroom

Many years ago I bought a Cibachrome kit, with drum, box of filters
for the enlarger, thermometers, chemicals and so on. I must have made
a hundred test prints trying for a decent colour balance - which I
never managed to get to my satisfaction. Add to that the lousy
contrast range and you have expensive misery.

Digital photography is incalculably better than that. From picture
taken to people the far side of the world looking at it in a couple of
minutes - no contest.

I still have a 35mm camera which appears to be getting more expensive
by the day on ebay - quite inexplicable.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote


Many years ago I bought a Cibachrome kit, with drum, box of filters
for the enlarger, thermometers, chemicals and so on. I must have made
a hundred test prints trying for a decent colour balance - which I
never managed to get to my satisfaction. Add to that the lousy
contrast range and you have expensive misery.


Ditto....



Digital photography is incalculably better than that. From picture
taken to people the far side of the world looking at it in a couple of
minutes - no contest.


No-one grabbed digital photography quicker than I did. Even back in the 640
x 480 days (256K ???) days, getting a pic onto the screen in moments (even
before fast modems/broadband) beat all that ****ing about with film and
waiting for results. Nowadays, being able to get large, hi-res pix to
anywhere in the world in a heartbeat is still quite staggering by
comparison!!

Add to that the (effectively) zero cost of film and there's no contest, as
you say - I once took 21 pix on my way up to the post box and back and
That's on the corner of our front garden!! (Can't say I bother to print much
out these days....)


I still have a 35mm camera which appears to be getting more expensive
by the day on ebay - quite inexplicable.


Ah....!!

See my original remarks about *ultimate quality* - it'll be a long time
before wet film cameras dry up completely!!

Now, by the power of digital photography, go and see my pix of the
excavations I got finished today:

****BLOG ALERT***

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%202.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%204.JPG


(Note the 'compost delivery' hard on my tail - no pressure, like.....!! :-)

If you're really lucky, I'll show you a pic of my butt tomorrow.....

;-)

On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:56:17 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%202.JPG


Mmmm.... maybe just a little above your damp proof course. Hope it
doesn't rain.

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%204.JPG


Is that Tony Robinson I can see just out of shot there?


(Note the 'compost delivery' hard on my tail - no pressure, like.....!! :-)

If you're really lucky, I'll show you a pic of my butt tomorrow.....

Holding my breath!

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:56:17 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%202.JPG


Mmmm.... maybe just a little above your damp proof course. Hope it
doesn't rain.


We're thinking of throwing a Trowel Party - where all the guests bring a
coupla doz imported beers and a *trowel*....



http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...0Patch%204.JPG


Is that Tony Robinson I can see just out of shot there?


No, he's under the heap!! :-)




(Note the 'compost delivery' hard on my tail - no pressure, like.....!!
:-)

If you're really lucky, I'll show you a pic of my butt tomorrow.....

Holding my breath!


Streuth, it ain't that bad!! (It's not even been used yet...!! ;-)

Actually, there's two of 'em!!

AUDIO BIT:

Anybody got a DAC they want to sell? Preferably with more than one input
(switchable, coax and/or optical) - don't need to be too posh, it's only to
get sound off my Tommy (PVR) into a stereo amp - I get a little 'heartbeat'
problem from the analogue outs! (Common on these, apparently...??)

I'm watching this one atm:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Anybody got a DAC they want to sell? Preferably with more than one input
(switchable, coax and/or optical) - don't need to be too posh, it's
only to get sound off my Tommy (PVR) into a stereo amp - I get a little
'heartbeat' problem from the analogue outs! (Common on these,
apparently...??)

Sure you don't mean a 'Toppy'? ;-)

Not noticed a problem with mine.

--
*Can fat people go skinny-dipping?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Anybody got a DAC they want to sell? Preferably with more than one input
(switchable, coax and/or optical) - don't need to be too posh, it's
only to get sound off my Tommy (PVR) into a stereo amp - I get a little
'heartbeat' problem from the analogue outs! (Common on these,
apparently...??)

Sure you don't mean a 'Toppy'? ;-)



No, a Tommy - the 'heartbeat is a well-known problem and is only hard disk
activity. The quick way out is wang the sound through either of the two
digital outs into a DAC or an AV amp with digital in. I got a Verti with a
view to passing on the Tommy but kept it despite the Verti being better in a
lot of respects - Tommies grow on you!! (The remote is so *slick* compared
with the others!)

Here's some on eBay for loopy prices atm, in case anyone's interested:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/THOMSON-FREEVI...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/THOMSON-FREEVI...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/THOMSON-DHD-40...QQcmdZViewItem




Not noticed a problem with mine.

Swim's got a Toppy - no 'heartbeat' on hers either....

Now I suppose you want to know what a 'Verti' is? :-)

Here's one at a *bargain* price atm (about 170 new):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...keT rack=true

Arguably the best of the lot with PIP and subby recording &c., but I still
prefer the Tommy....

Subby?

(Sub-titles! ;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
news

AUDIO BIT:

Anybody got a DAC they want to sell? Preferably with more
than one input (switchable, coax and/or optical) - don't
need to be too posh, it's only to get sound off my Tommy
(PVR) into a stereo amp - I get a little 'heartbeat'
problem from the analogue outs! (Common on these,
apparently...??)


IME the classic really good cheap DACs on the market are the Technics SHAC
300 and SHAC 500. Sold as surround decoders, they do an excellent job on
stereo sources through their front outs. They have amazing resistance to
jitter from dicey sources.

They still come up on the U.S. eBay from time to time. Don't know how many
were ever sold in the UK.

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
news

AUDIO BIT:

Anybody got a DAC they want to sell? Preferably with more
than one input (switchable, coax and/or optical) - don't
need to be too posh, it's only to get sound off my Tommy
(PVR) into a stereo amp - I get a little 'heartbeat'
problem from the analogue outs! (Common on these,
apparently...??)


IME the classic really good cheap DACs on the market are the Technics SHAC
300 and SHAC 500. Sold as surround decoders, they do an excellent job on
stereo sources through their front outs. They have amazing resistance to
jitter from dicey sources.

They still come up on the U.S. eBay from time to time. Don't know how many
were ever sold in the UK.



Not too keen on the idea of 'front connectors' for reasons of tidyness. I'm
watching an Arcam, an XTC and an MF on eBay atm.....