Andy Hewitt wrote:

Wally wrote:

The basic tenet of all this bi-wiring stuff, fancy cables and all the rest
is that it's all based on physics somewhere along the line. The problem is,
the physics it's based on is often plain false, misapplied, or of such
minimal effect as to be completely disregradable.

Indeed, and I agree. However, there is science to suggest that the
effect does happen, but as you say, to what extent, and is it worth
consideration?

What you should consider is *what effect* rather than simply accept what
advertisers tell you to believe.

Since a length of cable and a louspeaker load form a complex electrical filter to
a small degree, it's inevitable that changing the cable will 'sound different' if
only because the frequency response will differ slightly. That much is assured
although the extend to which it's audible could be debated at some length.

There is additionaly a huge amout of self-deception over what is or isn't audible
no doubt based on these well-distributed myths that the hi-fi fraternity would
have you buy into ( quite literally).

Graham

Eeyore wrote:

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Indeed, and I agree. However, there is science to suggest that the
effect does happen, but as you say, to what extent, and is it worth
consideration?

What you should consider is *what effect* rather than simply accept what
advertisers tell you to believe.

You're rather incorrectly assuming that I believe advertisers.

Since a length of cable and a louspeaker load form a complex electrical
filter to a small degree, it's inevitable that changing the cable will
'sound different' if only because the frequency response will differ
slightly. That much is assured although the extend to which it's audible
could be debated at some length.

Quite obviously.

There is additionaly a huge amout of self-deception over what is or isn't
audible no doubt based on these well-distributed myths that the hi-fi
fraternity would have you buy into ( quite literally).

Well, in my case I just bought some rolls of cable from CPC, at a very
good price, and had enough to biwire. The Castles didn't have their
links when I bought them (second hand), so I just biwired them instead.
I didn't spend a great deal of money doing this, or a lot of time
pondering it. The net result, I have a system that sounds good, whether
the biwiring actually makes a difference is irrelevant.

--
Andy Hewitt
http://www.thehewitts.eclipse.co.uk/
http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/

Andy Hewitt wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

[Snipped Text]

Indeed, and I agree. However, there is science to suggest that the
effect does happen, but as you say, to what extent, and is it worth
consideration?

What you should consider is *what effect* rather than simply accept what
advertisers tell you to believe.

You're rather incorrectly assuming that I believe advertisers.

The editorial content of most hi-fi mags *is* a form of advertsing.


Since a length of cable and a louspeaker load form a complex electrical
filter to a small degree, it's inevitable that changing the cable will
'sound different' if only because the frequency response will differ
slightly. That much is assured although the extend to which it's audible
could be debated at some length.

Quite obviously.

There is additionaly a huge amout of self-deception over what is or isn't
audible no doubt based on these well-distributed myths that the hi-fi
fraternity would have you buy into ( quite literally).

Well, in my case I just bought some rolls of cable from CPC, at a very
good price, and had enough to biwire. The Castles didn't have their
links when I bought them (second hand), so I just biwired them instead.
I didn't spend a great deal of money doing this, or a lot of time
pondering it. The net result, I have a system that sounds good, whether
the biwiring actually makes a difference is irrelevant.

As long as it sounds good to you that's what ultimately matters. I'm please you
saved yourself a few bob in the process - and didn't help line the pockets of
the snake-oil merchants too.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:

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Well, in my case I just bought some rolls of cable from CPC, at a very
good price, and had enough to biwire. The Castles didn't have their
links when I bought them (second hand), so I just biwired them instead.
I didn't spend a great deal of money doing this, or a lot of time
pondering it. The net result, I have a system that sounds good, whether
the biwiring actually makes a difference is irrelevant.

As long as it sounds good to you that's what ultimately matters. I'm
please you saved yourself a few bob in the process - and didn't help line
the pockets of the snake-oil merchants too.

If you look back at my first post, you will see that was exactly my
intention. I was originally supporting the purchase of cheap cable from
Farnell. There have been too many assumptions made here, mostly
incorrectly.

--
Andy Hewitt
http://www.thehewitts.eclipse.co.uk/
http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/

In article om, Andy
Hewitt wrote:
Eeyore wrote:

[Snipped Text]

Indeed, and I agree. However, there is science to suggest that the
effect does happen, but as you say, to what extent, and is it worth
consideration?

What you should consider is *what effect* rather than simply accept
what advertisers tell you to believe.

You're rather incorrectly assuming that I believe advertisers.

Alas, you seemed to believe what you had read in the magazines...


There is additionaly a huge amout of self-deception over what is or
isn't audible no doubt based on these well-distributed myths that the
hi-fi fraternity would have you buy into ( quite literally).

Well, in my case I just bought some rolls of cable from CPC, at a very
good price, and had enough to biwire. The Castles didn't have their
links when I bought them (second hand), so I just biwired them instead.
I didn't spend a great deal of money doing this, or a lot of time
pondering it. The net result, I have a system that sounds good, whether
the biwiring actually makes a difference is irrelevant.

Yes, it may be irrelvant to the sound. But it may have wasted your time and
money, and perpetuated a myth that will mislead others.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Eeyore
wrote:


Andy Hewitt wrote:

Wally wrote:

The basic tenet of all this bi-wiring stuff, fancy cables and all
the rest is that it's all based on physics somewhere along the line.
The problem is, the physics it's based on is often plain false,
misapplied, or of such minimal effect as to be completely
disregradable.

Indeed, and I agree. However, there is science to suggest that the
effect does happen, but as you say, to what extent, and is it worth
consideration?

What you should consider is *what effect* rather than simply accept what
advertisers tell you to believe.

Since a length of cable and a louspeaker load form a complex electrical
filter to a small degree, it's inevitable that changing the cable will
'sound different' if only because the frequency response will differ
slightly.

Not if the change is so small as to be inaudible. Nor will it matter if the
change is smaller than, say, the effect of moving your head 10 microns.
There comes a point where a measurable or theoretical difference becomes
irrelevant or undetectable in use.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html