Laurence Payne wrote:

Oh, don't worry about Phil and his attitude problem.

But speakers live in a room and the two must be considered together. I
like wooden floors too. But you might like to investigate the effect
of bringing your speakers a little closer to the listening position
and throwing a couple of rugs on the floor in-between. Soft
furnishings and heavy curtains are good too.

Thank you.

Rugs, yes have them, tick, covering the immediate area around the
notional speaker position.

Heavy curtain, tick (would be behind speakers/stands)
Large sofas, tick.

It's a thick wood floor (not laminate), laid on a concrete slab (modern
top floor flat).

I'd love to know a few brands/models to start listening to and if my
price bracket / wooden floor / will totally waste the amp's capability
- clearly listenting to my amp in a shop is not possible and a starting
point, before borrowing speakers would be nice.............but I
appreciate may not be realistic.

Thanks again

David

Laurence Payne wrote:

You want a wooden floor or you want good sound?

Laurence

I like my floor but you and colleagues have made it clear that a wooden
floor kills any chance of good sound reproduction, for which I thank
you - as it saves me spending more than a budget amount of a set of
speakers.

I won't waste any more of your time.



** Shut the door when you leave - ****head.




......... Phil

Phil

Fantastic couple of posts, I say, without any irony, you are a deeply
funny man, I suspect others would not credit you, but to write with
such energy takes a deeply evolved intellect.

You've made a serious day at the office deeply amusing.

Have a great weekend

Regards

David

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Laurence Payne wrote:

Oh, don't worry about Phil and his attitude problem.

But speakers live in a room and the two must be considered together. I
like wooden floors too. But you might like to investigate the effect
of bringing your speakers a little closer to the listening position
and throwing a couple of rugs on the floor in-between. Soft
furnishings and heavy curtains are good too.

Thank you.

Rugs, yes have them, tick, covering the immediate area around the
notional speaker position.

Heavy curtain, tick (would be behind speakers/stands)
Large sofas, tick.

It's a thick wood floor (not laminate), laid on a concrete slab (modern
top floor flat).

I'd love to know a few brands/models to start listening to and if my
price bracket / wooden floor / will totally waste the amp's capability
- clearly listenting to my amp in a shop is not possible and a starting
point, before borrowing speakers would be nice.............but I
appreciate may not be realistic.



David, when I see *advice* being given/requested a little something in me
goes *ooh, ooh!* - when it's speaker advice a warning lamp comes on!

The speakers (in a given room, for a given taste) are where any kit will
fall down bigtime, if they are not right. Think carefully what sort of sound
you want - not all speakers will do everything, despite what some people
say/claim. Your budget is not vast and I suspect you intend to look at 'new'
stuff - I went down that road and tried 68 million different pairs from
*all* the major names and simply couldn't get what I wanted and have ended
up building my own!

Forget endless shop demos, they tell you nothing at the end of the day - if
at all possible try to get to hear different speakers at friend's houses to
get a rough idea, but given your budget constraints, if I were you I would
try to grab summat off eBay. My guess is you would be happy with any of
these for the time being:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...ayphotohosting

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Castle-Severn-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NAIM-Intro-2-L...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ruark-Prologue...QQcmdZViewItem


Or these on stands (virtually free atm):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-W-DM-600-Lou...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/B-W-DM-602-S1-...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Tannoy-QA-Sixe...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CYRUS-CLS-50-C...QQcmdZViewItem


(Travelling even a substantial distance to collect will only equate to
several trips to various shops for demos and you get the chance to meet the
seller as well as a check on the speakers - there's always a strong chance
he'll have another bargain not yet listed!!)

If you get summat for a bargain price (good time of the year right now) you
can then start saving for a *proper* pair of 'lifetime keeper' speakers at a
later date and there's every chance you'll get all your money back in the
future!!

Keith G wrote:
If you get summat for a bargain price (good time of the year right now) you
can then start saving for a *proper* pair of 'lifetime keeper' speakers at a
later date and there's every chance you'll get all your money back in the
future!!

Keith

Many thanks for your comments, which make total sense. I remember when
I bought my Missions 15yrs ago (as a kid) they were a massive amount of
money (relative) and I spent ages choosing them, I don't recall the
demo rooms sounding at all like my home setup did eventually.

I will have a look at those links after work.

Obviously my orignal post has attracted a broad spectrum of comments
but none suggesting the amp/cd player are a total waste of time which
is good!

Finally, thanks for taking some time doing some ebay research -
massively appreciated.

Regards

David

Phil Allison wrote:
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** Arrogant Groper Fool Alert


** Start by covering the floor of that room with thick mats or carpet.

Its is crime to destroy the sound of good speakers by putting them in an
echo chamber.

If no can do - just buy a pair or two of decent headphones.


Thanks for the quick response, carpet no, I like my wooden floor


** Fine - your priorities are now clear.

YOU simply have no interest in good sound reproduction.

YOU are just another ****** who likes to collect hi-fi trinkets.


Stop wasting everyone's time - go away.





.......... Phil

What a ****ing stupid response to someone who genuinely wants some
help.

These days bare floors are a compromise a lot of people have to live
with.

to O/P - a strategically placed rug or soft might help- back to your
question. I'd look for a used pair of Mission 752 Freedoms, which
worked well with the 8000A.

OR a different flavour would be Spendor/Harbeth.

make sure you listen with your amp in your room before parting with the
money - if you want to keep your bare floors, then try to sit as close
as poss to the speakers.

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Keith G wrote:
If you get summat for a bargain price (good time of the year right now)
you
can then start saving for a *proper* pair of 'lifetime keeper' speakers
at a
later date and there's every chance you'll get all your money back in the
future!!

Keith

Many thanks for your comments, which make total sense. I remember when
I bought my Missions 15yrs ago (as a kid) they were a massive amount of
money (relative) and I spent ages choosing them, I don't recall the
demo rooms sounding at all like my home setup did eventually.

I will have a look at those links after work.

Obviously my orignal post has attracted a broad spectrum of comments
but none suggesting the amp/cd player are a total waste of time which
is good!

Finally, thanks for taking some time doing some ebay research -
massively appreciated.


You're very welcome - no chore for me, I *like* speakers!!

Btw, watch the Castle 7s - they are not very big....

You didn't state your main preference for music, there are some 'immutables'
which could come into play - kevlar cones for heavy rock/drum n' bass (due
to the way the do/don't deform under stress) or paper cones for vocals &c.
This may or may not work for everybody (naturally), but there's no point in
buying speakers which best excel at the 'wrong type' of music for you!

Also I hope it didn't look as though I was disparaging modern budget
speakers - they represent excellent value for money (trust me, you could not
even begin to replicate their appearance *alone* for what they cost!), it's
just that they seem so much better suited for 'modern' music and/or AV work
and it's not for nothing there's a considerable 'retromigration' these days
for the higher quality speakers from a few decades ago....

;-)

" wrote:

My living room has wooden floors and measures 6 x 3.5m

Mission 760s are probably going to sound a bit lost in there unless positioned
just at one end.


In terms of music I listen to lots of guitar based stuff, radiohead,
massive attack, muse, placebo etc.......

I know I need to listen before I buy, but some basic pointers in
relation to my amp/room size/music would be great........booksheld on
stands vs floorstanders

You probably need floorstanders. They can 'couple' better to the room for more
apparent bass response.


My 760's always sounded a bit flat with the amp, lacking bass, although
I have read that the amp is 'neutral'?

The amp won't change the bass


Any advice on speaker cable too would be good.

The cheapest you can get with a decent cross-sectional area ( the more mm2 the
better ). Cables don't have a 'sound' as such and they're all made of the same
stuff. Spend the money on something useful.

Graham

Phil Allison wrote:

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** Arrogant Groper Fool Alert

** Start by covering the floor of that room with thick mats or carpet.

Its is crime to destroy the sound of good speakers by putting them in an
echo chamber.

If no can do - just buy a pair or two of decent headphones.

Thanks for the quick response, carpet no, I like my wooden floor

** Fine - your priorities are now clear.

YOU simply have no interest in good sound reproduction.

YOU are just another ****** who likes to collect hi-fi trinkets.

Stop wasting everyone's time - go away.

Maybe he likes a live sound. Plenty of studio control rooms have wooden floors
btw.

Graham

On 22 Sep 2006 00:59:32 -0700, "
wrote:

Now, I've no idea where to start, and what to start listening to. I've
done Googling and Quads 11L's get mentioned a few times in relation to
the Amp.


I also have a pair of Quad 11L speakers and find them very nice for
the price. One important point is that they have, like many other
speakers, rear-facing bass reflex ports. This means that they do not
take kindly to being close to walls or, worse, corners.

--
Chris Isbell
Southampton, UK