"Tony Gartshore" wrote in message
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In article ,
says...

There are a few 'wiseacres' here that know it all and will trot out the
stale, old 'FR drivers in horns have no top or bottom octave' hearsay
horse****.

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC
with only a peewee little lapel mic

Never mind the width.. What are the tracks Keith ?


No idea atm, Tony (and I'm late for outta here) - they are the end and
beginning of two consecutive trax on the 'The Abduction Of The Art Of Noise'
CD.

I could find them later....??

In article ,
says...

"Tony Gartshore" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...

There are a few 'wiseacres' here that know it all and will trot out the
stale, old 'FR drivers in horns have no top or bottom octave' hearsay
horse****.

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC
with only a peewee little lapel mic

Never mind the width.. What are the tracks Keith ?


No idea atm, Tony (and I'm late for outta here) - they are the end and
beginning of two consecutive trax on the 'The Abduction Of The Art Of Noise'
CD.

I could find them later....??

Thanks Keith, but that's enough to go on.. Explains why they sound
familiar and yet not at the same time..

T.

"Tony Gartshore" wrote


Never mind the width.. What are the tracks Keith ?


No idea atm, Tony (and I'm late for outta here) - they are the end and
beginning of two consecutive trax on the 'The Abduction Of The Art Of
Noise'
CD.

I could find them later....??

Thanks Keith, but that's enough to go on.. Explains why they sound
familiar and yet not at the same time..


It's a compilation of AON remixes by various artists:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Abduction-Ar...e=UTF8&s=music


I rate 60% of the trax good, 40% less so, but none of them *bad*...!!

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!

Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half decent
mic for this sort of test.

Lapel mics have a tailored frequency response to help with the fact that
they are in a poor position for speech. They have bass rolloff to counter
chest resonance, and mid range boost to try and improve intelligibility.
And often nothing at all at the HF end since it isn't necessary.

--
*Filthy stinking rich -- well, two out of three ain't bad

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!


Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half decent
mic for this sort of test.


If its of any use Keith, I can lend you a Behringer ECM8000 and home
made pre if you wanted to play further. I don't need it until I get a
couple of inductors wound.

--
Nick

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!


Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half decent
mic for this sort of test.


If its of any use Keith, I can lend you a Behringer ECM8000 and home made
pre if you wanted to play further. I don't need it until I get a couple of
inductors wound.


Thanks Nick, if I lived round the corner I'd be delighted to take you up on
the kind offer, but I guess I gotta get summat sorted out - not for
recording speakers as such (although that is good fun) but there's the piano
recordings to be done some time in the near(ish) future!

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:22:00 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
.. .
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!


Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half decent
mic for this sort of test.


If its of any use Keith, I can lend you a Behringer ECM8000 and home made
pre if you wanted to play further. I don't need it until I get a couple of
inductors wound.


Thanks Nick, if I lived round the corner I'd be delighted to take you up on
the kind offer, but I guess I gotta get summat sorted out - not for
recording speakers as such (although that is good fun) but there's the piano
recordings to be done some time in the near(ish) future!


The Behringer would be a good choice. It is part of the armoury of
most recordists because it is just so flat and faultless. Other mics
have "deliberate" limps and bumps that are used to accentuate various
sonic characteristics. The only real failing of the Behringer is that
it is a bit noisy because of the small diaphragm. That only matters on
very quiet sources though. Of course the price doesn't hurt too much
either.

Those other mics you are discussing with Dave aren't suitable for
plugging straight into a PC - they need a pre-amp. If you want to go
that route, Behringer is your friend again. You can get a UB802 mixer
for about £40. I bought one thinking I might use it once a month, but
I find it constantly handy.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 21:22:00 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
. ..
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one
track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!


Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half
decent
mic for this sort of test.


If its of any use Keith, I can lend you a Behringer ECM8000 and home
made
pre if you wanted to play further. I don't need it until I get a couple
of
inductors wound.


Thanks Nick, if I lived round the corner I'd be delighted to take you up
on
the kind offer, but I guess I gotta get summat sorted out - not for
recording speakers as such (although that is good fun) but there's the
piano
recordings to be done some time in the near(ish) future!


The Behringer would be a good choice. It is part of the armoury of
most recordists because it is just so flat and faultless. Other mics
have "deliberate" limps and bumps that are used to accentuate various
sonic characteristics. The only real failing of the Behringer is that
it is a bit noisy because of the small diaphragm. That only matters on
very quiet sources though. Of course the price doesn't hurt too much
either.

Those other mics you are discussing with Dave aren't suitable for
plugging straight into a PC - they need a pre-amp. If you want to go
that route, Behringer is your friend again. You can get a UB802 mixer
for about £40. I bought one thinking I might use it once a month, but
I find it constantly handy.


This is all new territory for me, but very interesting. I don't have much
need of a mic other than piano recordings which won't be done for a while
yet but I would like to get summat sorted out and (surprise, surprise) I
wouldn't hate it if it had valves in it!!

Otherwise, what does this look like:

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index.php?id=BEHMIC200

and which of these (if any):

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index...ew=Microphones

???

Don Pearce wrote:


The Behringer would be a good choice. It is part of the armoury of
most recordists because it is just so flat and faultless. Other mics
have "deliberate" limps and bumps that are used to accentuate various
sonic characteristics. The only real failing of the Behringer is that
it is a bit noisy because of the small diaphragm. That only matters on
very quiet sources though. Of course the price doesn't hurt too much
either.


My main reason for having one is the flat aspect, and then again, the
price does help :-)

--
Nick

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Judge for yourselves - here are two 'identical' clips (end of one track,
beginning of another) of extremely complex/crowded music recorded OPEN
MIC with only a peewee little lapel mic (all I got) with digital/SS
everything except the power amp on the EX3 clip, which is 300B SET
valve. No editing whatsoever, other than a Fade In and Out at the ends
to lessen the shock!

Without even listening, Keith, do yourself a favour and get a half decent
mic for this sort of test.

Lapel mics have a tailored frequency response to help with the fact that
they are in a poor position for speech. They have bass rolloff to counter
chest resonance, and mid range boost to try and improve intelligibility.
And often nothing at all at the HF end since it isn't necessary.



OK, point(s) taken - my problem is I wouldn't know where to even start.
Every time I Google microphones I end up he

http://www.microphones.ru/

Then he

http://www.microphones.ru/downloads.htm

....and then get hung up on the downloads! (A couple of the topmost links
don't work, but the ones that do are so *beguiling* - start from the
bottom....!!! :-)


But I'm open to suggestions, Plowie - the ideal mic plugs straight into the
computer I suppose, but summat like this does have a certain appeal:

http://www.oktava-online.com/mkl2500.htm

Would that be suitable for piano recordings?? :-)

PS. Forget stuff like this:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEUMANN-SM69-S...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MANLEY-REFEREN...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Neumann-M147-T...QQcmdZViewItem

:-)


But an opinion on these would be appreciated...???

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MXL-V77-Tube-C...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-ART-Tube-M...QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...keT rack=true