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You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is. And seem to want the world to join you.

Does that work for you?

It works for me.

It describes what actually happened starting about 25
years ago.



It describes nothing for me.

Do you have any strong views on horse-riding, by any
chance...???

Yeah, I'd rather drive, fly, hike or paddle a canoe.



If someone told you they preferred horse riding you'd batter them to death
with the *flaws of horses* and compare it endlessly to your canoe then?

You forgot motorcycling, btw...

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You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is. And seem to want the world to join you.

Does that work for you?

It works for me.

It describes what actually happened starting about 25
years ago.

Perhaps Keith wasn't around the audio scene then. When CD
appeared, only a few flat earth types or those with
vested interests found fault with it.

Agreed.

Now it seems to be
shared with the above, and those who don't understand -
or want to understand - the processes involved in making
the recording you listen to at home.

Making a LP is like making sausage or laws - if you have a weak stomach,
you don't want to know the gorey details, and there are plenty.



You will be delighted to know that my own preference for vinyl is probably
no more than 10 years old. I remember CDs coming out - made about as much
impression on me as the advent of electric pencil-sharpeners at the
time.....

I had better things to do then than worry about *hifi*....

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You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is. And seem to want the world to join you.

Does that work for you?

It works for me.

It describes what actually happened starting about 25
years ago.



It describes nothing for me.

Do you have any strong views on horse-riding, by any
chance...???

Yeah, I'd rather drive, fly, hike or paddle a canoe.

If someone told you they preferred horse riding you'd
batter them to death with the *flaws of horses* and
compare it endlessly to your canoe then?

Nahh, the fun would begin when they told me a horse was better for crossing
lakes than a canoe, which is in effect what goes on here all the time.

You forgot motorcycling, btw...

I'm OK with motorcycles.

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You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is. And seem to want the world to join you.

Does that work for you?

It works for me.

It describes what actually happened starting about 25
years ago.



It describes nothing for me.

Do you have any strong views on horse-riding, by any
chance...???

Yeah, I'd rather drive, fly, hike or paddle a canoe.

If someone told you they preferred horse riding you'd
batter them to death with the *flaws of horses* and
compare it endlessly to your canoe then?

Nahh, the fun would begin when they told me a horse was better for
crossing lakes than a canoe, which is in effect what goes on here all the
time.



Lakes? Why stop there? Why not the Atlantic?

Oh, hang on a minute - you Yanks don't do that any more do you...??

(Your metaphor stinks almost as bad as your arguements against other peoples
preferences...)


You forgot motorcycling, btw...

I'm OK with motorcycles.


I sincerely *doubt* that....

Hello Keith G - More turntables being sold then CD players inAussie according to a local newspaper.
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to
disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in
denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very finest CD.
That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.
As, of course, were many vinyl records.


What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware that many find
vinyl is at least as good as CD in like for like terms: fact.

And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)


Extravagant claims?! What did you have in mind?

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want
others to disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't
think saying things like 'in denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think
vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in
like for like terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not
be as good as the very finest CD.

A LP can't possibly duplicate the dynamic range and frequency response
flattness in the audio range of a CD.

That some CDs are
poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.

Of course.

As, of course, were many vinyl records.

One of the problems that the CD format solved were the high rate of returns
of defective LPs, in the day of.

What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware
that many find vinyl is at least as good as CD in like
for like terms: fact.

Actually, pretty factual.

Hello Keith G - More turntables being sold then CD players in Aussie according to a local newspaper.
 

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Rob wrote:
No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very
finest CD. That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither
here nor there. As, of course, were many vinyl records.


What a peculiar set of statements! You should be aware that many find
vinyl is at least as good as CD in like for like terms: fact.

Perhaps background noise doesn't bother you. Distortion - increasing as
you reach the centre of the disc. Wear and tear. Even more clicks and pops
as they get older.

Yes, truly vinyl is as good as CD.

--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Hello Keith G - More turntables being sold then CD players in Aussie according to a local newspaper.
 

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Then why make contentious statements if you don't want others to
disagree with them? Or perhaps you don't think saying things like 'in
denial' contentious?


Try this:

You never miss a chance to emphasise how bad you think vinyl is.

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very finest CD.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. but it is hardly
definitive. Nor is it shared by many very experienced listeners.


That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor there.
As, of course, were many vinyl records.

Now that just sounds like you don't really care about sound quality
when it comes to listening to music. The fact that many musically
significant titles have never been released on a decent sounding CD
matters greatly.



And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)

Indeed, you and your likeminded pals seem to be making many such claims
just so you have something to argue against.

Scott

Hello Keith G - More turntables being sold then CD players in Aussie according to a local newspaper.
 

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No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in like for like
terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not be as good as the very
finest CD.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. but it is hardly
definitive. Nor is it shared by many very experienced listeners.

Usually for the wrong reasons as you're about to state...


That some CDs are poorly made in whatever way is neither here nor
there. As, of course, were many vinyl records.

Now that just sounds like you don't really care about sound quality
when it comes to listening to music. The fact that many musically
significant titles have never been released on a decent sounding CD
matters greatly.

See what I mean? How can the quality of the CD system be influenced by the
fact that certain performances haven't been released on it? Or didn't you
understand the 'like for like' part?

And seem to want the world to join you.

I personally couldn't care less and simply respond to the extravagant
claims made on here for vinyl - including by some who should know
better. ;-)

Indeed, you and your likeminded pals seem to be making many such claims
just so you have something to argue against.

I'll say this only once more. Take the finest master of any type of music
you want. Transfer to CD and LP directly with no alteration other than to
make sure the maximum level for either isn't exceeded. Now compare the two
to the master using properly controlled testing conditions.

There will be a distinct difference between the master and the LP, and
this will be shown up by the results. There will be a definite pattern to
the answers given which will identify each.
Now do the same with the CD. You'll get totally random answers.

That some prefer the distortion that LP adds is neither here nor there.
Everyone is entitled to their view. But when that distortion gets
described in all sorts of flowery language by the vinyl evangelists,
expect the real world to bite back...

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*Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Hello Keith G - More turntables being sold then CD players in Aussie according to a local newspaper.
 

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

No - I emphasise the fact that it can't compare to CD in
like for like terms. Ie, the very finest vinyl will not
be as good as the very finest CD.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. but it is
hardly definitive. Nor is it shared by many very
experienced listeners.

That is a very misleading statement. No doubt completely intentional. There
are about 400,000 people who think they are "experienced listeners" in the
US, so even just 1% of them is 4,000 people which is "very many experienced
listeners".

BTW, the 400,000 "experienced listeners" I estiamte in the US is roughly
composed of 200,000 high end audiophiles and 200,000 home and professional
recordists.