In article .com,
wrote:
IME the percieved dynamic range of Redbook and Vinyl at their best are
neck and neck.

Perceived? You can't hear the difference of more than 20 dB? Explains a
lot.

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wrote in message
ups.com
Mr.T wrote:
"Rob" wrote in
message ...

Try all it likes, CD will never beat a good LP for a
sense of *realism*.....


Mmm. I think you misunderstand. That statement doesn't
say anything close to 'vinyl is better than CD' in
absolute terms.

I'm puzzled as to what you think he means? Can a sense
of "realism" (whatever that really means)

If the LP format has more "realism" than the CD format, what then is the
definition of "realism"?

If the LP format has more "realism" than the CD format, then realism means
tics and pops.

If the LP format has more "realism" than the CD format, then realism means
groove noise.

If the LP format has more "realism" than the CD format, then realism means
rumble.

If the LP format has more "realism" than the CD format, then realism means
clearly audible distortion.

If you don't know what that means you really aren't
qualified to discuss hifi.

In article . com,
wrote:
WTF cares who the engineers are?

I must be psychic, I predicted you didn't know squat about the subject.
Gosh who the **** cares about who mastered their favorite music?
Audiophiles that are in it for the enjoyment of music. You see dip****
if you know who is mastering your recordings and you have an idea of
the quality of their work it makes it easier to narrow down the likely
sonic winners and losers.

As I thought. You've no interest in music at all. Unless it's wearing the
correct badge.

But if you don't really give a **** about sound quality when music is
involved you have no need to check. Once again you have been pegged.

You've certainly shown yourself up as a grade one anorak.

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In article .com,
wrote:
You simply can't get round the fact that a double blind AB comparison
between a decent master tape - digital or analogue - copied straight
to both LP and CD with no 'mastering' other than making sure the
maximum mod isn't exceeded - will result in *anyone* hearing the
difference reliably between that master and the LP, but not between it
and the CD.


Please cite any peer reviewed published results that support this
assertion.

I'm surprised you've not been involved on such trials yourself. But
thinking again, not really, as it would show you up for the charlatan you
are. Rather the same as those who claim to hear differences in cables but
can't actually prove it in properly conducted testing.

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"Steven Sullivan" wrote in message
...
I think it's nice if people understand the well-documented limitations of
'listening' as it is generally done..yet many vinylphiles seem less
interested in that than in promoting what they believe (often without
basis)
are audible limitations of digital.

Naturally they think the measurements must be wrong since they disagree with
"their ears", and we all know THEIR ears are the only true reference.
That's why no-one else in the world can listen to music, wrong ears :-)

MrT.

wrote in message
ps.com...
Yep my spelling sucks and I make a lot of typos.

Not nearly as many as the factual errors!

MrT.

In article om,
wrote:
The second sentence qualified the first. Which referred to mastering.
And would be plain to anyone with a reasonable command of the English
language. Ie, obviously everyone *else* reading this group, since
you're the only one not to understand what was meant.

Once again you show us what an idiot you are when it comes to
mastering.

I would ask what that has to do with understanding a post, but wouldn't
expect a sensible reply.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
news
Others might prefer to add such distortions or not, as an
*option*, not an inherent quality of the system.

You could at least put "quality" in quotes :-)

If I had a penny for every time I've heard/read that old chestnut I could
afford the portable digital recorder I would like.....

Surely you would want a portable analog disk recorder? :-)
Or have you has a change of heart on digital?

MrT.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Please do tell us how the claim that vinyl inherently sounds more life
like than CD in stereo playback violates any laws of physics.

Hard to do when we have no idea WHY you *THINK* it does.

MrT.

In article .com,
wrote:
You have never made such comparisons. Your beliefs are faith based.

Oh, but I have.


Bull****. but do tell us about those comparisons. What titles? What
versions of those titles? What eqipment was used? How did you control
your anti-vinyl bias?

*Proper* testing doesn't involve 'titles' and avoids bias being a factor
in the results.

You really don't understand, do you?

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