Richard Crowley wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote ...

I have deliberately avoided the argument as to whether even 16bit is
excessive for vinyl.........

Didn't think there was any argument?
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 16 bits?

Try 12 bits.

geoff

wrote:

Eiron wrote:

wrote:

Have you ever heard a SOTA LP on SOTA playback gear?

Can you give any examples of SOTA LPs?

Here are a few.

Sonnyboy Williamson Keep it to Ourselves, Storyville Analog Productions
reissue
Benjamin Britten Young Person's guide to the Orchestra Capital SP 8373
Cisco reissue
Royal Ballet Galla performances RCA LDS 6065 Classics reissue 45rpm
Laurindo Almeida Virtuoso guitar D2D 45rpm Crystal Clear CCS 8001
The 10 string guitar interprets French Classics Klavier KS 523
Opus 3 test record 4 9200
Tafelmusik Reference Recordings RR-15
Michael Nerwman Classical Guitar Sheffield Lab Lab 10
Espana Decca SXL 2020 Speakers Corner reissue
Songs of Kings and Warriors Waterlily WLA AS-15

That is the tip of the iceberg

Thanks. An interesting selection.

--
Eiron.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 10:50:07 +1300, "Geoff"
wrote:

Richard Crowley wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote ...

I have deliberately avoided the argument as to whether even 16bit is
excessive for vinyl.........

Didn't think there was any argument?
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 16 bits?

Try 12 bits.

geoff


I've never seen a piece of vinyl that reached 12 bits. And I'm willing
to bet that nobody ever saw one that did on a second playing.

d

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In article .com,
wrote:
Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results.

It has no unique requirements other than observing peak allowable levels.

Bet you didn't know that.

But you're going to tell us anyway?

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:03:39 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:
Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results.

It has no unique requirements other than observing peak allowable levels.

Bet you didn't know that.

But you're going to tell us anyway?

Bet he can't. Darkly hinting at mysteries beyond the comprehension of
mere mortals is the limit of his abilities.

d

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Geoff wrote:
Richard Crowley wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote ...

I have deliberately avoided the argument as to whether even 16bit is
excessive for vinyl.........

Didn't think there was any argument?
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 16 bits?

Try 12 bits.


Try using your ears instead. But if you can't, at least try to get some
meaningful data on the subject. What you have going there is about as
meaningful as a manufacturer's THD measuements are for an amp.



Scott

Eiron wrote:
wrote:

Eiron wrote:

wrote:

Have you ever heard a SOTA LP on SOTA playback gear?

Can you give any examples of SOTA LPs?

Here are a few.

Sonnyboy Williamson Keep it to Ourselves, Storyville Analog Productions
reissue
Benjamin Britten Young Person's guide to the Orchestra Capital SP 8373
Cisco reissue
Royal Ballet Galla performances RCA LDS 6065 Classics reissue 45rpm
Laurindo Almeida Virtuoso guitar D2D 45rpm Crystal Clear CCS 8001
The 10 string guitar interprets French Classics Klavier KS 523
Opus 3 test record 4 9200
Tafelmusik Reference Recordings RR-15
Michael Nerwman Classical Guitar Sheffield Lab Lab 10
Espana Decca SXL 2020 Speakers Corner reissue
Songs of Kings and Warriors Waterlily WLA AS-15

That is the tip of the iceberg

Thanks. An interesting selection.

No problem.


Scott

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results.

It has no unique requirements other than observing peak allowable levels.

Guess again

Bet you didn't know that.

But you're going to tell us anyway?


Nah, I'll let a few people makes asses of themselves first.


Scott

Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:03:39 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article .com,
wrote:
Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results.

It has no unique requirements other than observing peak allowable levels.

Bet you didn't know that.

But you're going to tell us anyway?

Bet he can't.

A fool and their money...


Darkly hinting at mysteries beyond the comprehension of
mere mortals is the limit of his abilities.


Dick er Don, do you ever get tired of acting like a fool? Is it the
only way you can get that much needed attention?


Scott

On 2006-10-25, Geoff wrote:
Richard Crowley wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote ...

I have deliberately avoided the argument as to whether even 16bit is
excessive for vinyl.........

Didn't think there was any argument?
Is ANY vinyl capable of SNR in excess of 16 bits?

Try 12 bits.

Possibly a little optimistic. We have seen earlier on uk.rec.audio
the reference to RCA's research into SOTA vinyl which gave 60 dB as the
A-weighted SNR you could achieve with the *best available* vinyl.

That would be nominally 10 bits. However if you are prepared to let
distortion on peak signals reach up to 10% or so you can get more.

Actually a genuine 60 dB is quite good enough for most performances
reproduced in the home. My own experience is that more than that
(I only have one or two recordings which use more) makes setting the
"right" volume level for the entire performance difficult.

The flies in the vinyl ointment, however, are

1. Typical retail vinyl has not been SOTA. More of it may come close
these days since the absolute volume of sales is so low but in the past
the quality, in my personal experience, was nowhere near SOTA.

2. The single A-weighted SNR figure hides a frequency-dependent noise
floor which rises from about 500 Hz downwards.

--
John Phillips