Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Steven Sullivan wrote:
Oh that isn't a problem for incompetent engineers. However, to make an
LP sound as good as a well recorded CD is impossible. And that's the
crux of the matter.

Depends on what sounds 'good' to the listener. If you like the 'sound'
of the LP medium, then a CD won't ever sound as good as LP unless you
transfer the LP to CD (or develop a mastering scheme that replicates
that sound).

An LP transcripted to CD using the finest equipment and the greatest care
still won't 'sound' the same to vinyl nuts. Their 'realism' comes from
watching the turntable go round and round...


Well when all your arguements are shot down this is all you have. Of
course you have to ignore simple facts infront of your face. When I
said that I can't distinguish between an LP and a 24/96 copy of that LP
did you..
1. not understand it
2. chose to ignore it because it violated your religious preconceptions
about vinyl enthusiasts.

Typical strategy of meter readers when all their arguments are laid to
waste. Just make **** up about the people you are arguing with and
point to that as proof you are right about everything. pathetic. maybe
you should search this post for typos and spelling errors so you can
feel better about your pathetic self.


Scott

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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wrote:
I think thre is something to this claim. I remember a mastering
engineer, I think it was Stan Ricker, saying that he often found the
LPs he mastered often sounded more lifelike than the original master
tapes even when he did a flat transfer with no processing.

Says it all about some mastering people. "My job is to improve the master"

You really are a moron. what didn't you understand about "flat transfer
with no processing?" You think that is a mastering enginee's attempt to
"improve the master?" **** you really are amazingly stupid.


Scott

On 30 Oct 2006 19:43:01 -0800, wrote:

Knowledge? Like what? The ridiculous claim that all LPs were mastered
with summed bass and HF roll off? Dude, you've been suckered. sorry if
pointing these things out is so painful.

No, just tedious.

Plonk.

--
Chris Isbell
Southampton, UK

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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wrote:
Please do tell us how the claim that vinyl inherently sounds more life
like than CD in stereo playback violates any laws of physics.

Try find any vinyl with natural sounding speech on it. You won't...

Wrong.

Sonnyboy Williamson Keepin it to Ourselves. APO. But thanks for failing
to answer the question. Bull**** posturing about physics is exposed for
what it is.


Scott



Scott, before you finally squish the whiney little maggot to death, whisper
the words 'Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds' into his little cloth ears.

Second thoughts, make that *shout* the words.....!!


YHFL....!! :-)

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Mr.T wrote:
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Which is all I'm complaining about, the unprovable
claim that vinyl is better than CD (rather than simply
saying - some CD's are dreadful despite the mediums
huge technical superiority.)


Hey mr science dude. How on earth is the claim
unbprovable? It's a simple claim to test and it has
been tested with vinyl coming out on top. You can wave
your arms all you want but that reality will not change.

So where is this "proof"?

Talk to the guy who made the world's only recording that
was made specifically to test this.


I can easily believe that Boyk, a well-known analog bigot, made a recording
designed to conceal the well-known audible deficiencies of the LP format.

Now where is your proof to the contrary?

Not a neutral source and very much at odds with the refereed scientific
papers I cited.

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Scott makes up a straw man argument:

One would think from your post that one's ability to
solder has something to do with one's ability to make
aesthetic judgements. Do I hve to tell you just how
stupid that idea is?

No Scott, you told us how stupid that idea is when you made it up.

Engineers do the work the hobbyists
consume it.

Scott might have us believe that all engineers:

(1) never make aesthetic judgements.

(2) have no interest in aesthetics

One does not need to know anything about
engineering to evaluate the results.

Simply not true. It takes technical knowlege to properly evaluate a
technological product.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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IME the percieved dynamic range of Redbook and Vinyl at
their best are neck and neck.

Perceived? You can't hear the difference of more than 20
dB? Explains a lot.


What the **** would you know about it


Scott's 19th meltdown.

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"Keith G" wrote in message


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"Keith G" wrote in message


(Most vinylists I'm aware of go on to *process* the
sound further with their own kit selection and
tweakery - not everyone simply slaps it down on a
cheap plank deck and starts bitching about *rumble*
and *bearing noise*....!! ;-)

Agreed that turntable rumble and bearing noise are not
characteristic of quality LP playback equipment. But
also noted that "grain noise" added during the
production process gets more and more audible, the
higher the quality of the LP playback equipment.


Grain....???


Gotcha Keith. One of the complaints you hear from guys
who really learned vinyl inside and out from the days
when vinyl was practially all that we had, is that you
don't know vinyl technology well. Well, read this and learn:
http://eil.com/explore/guide/vinyl_making.asp Grain noise was a low
almsot rumble-like noise that was
due to hasty nickel plating.


Gawd...

Stoppit FFS! I only play the damn things - I don't
*manufacture* them!! (Although, if wuz younger....)

Information like this was frequently published in consumer audio magazines
back in the day.


You're trying way too hard, Arny - it's this simple:

We have *hundreds* of bloody CDs here and maybe more than
a dozen different gadgets that can play them. Once in a
while I'll put one of a very small, select few on (no LP
equivalents) and, sure as eggs, I'll wander off after a
while and quite simply *not hear* the rest of it. I can't
recall the last time I was ever able to sit through an
entire CD - it must be *years* ago now!!

Speaks to your prejudices.

LPs? One after the other, usually - sometimes 'til the
wee small hours, unable to stop slapping them on to the
turntable!!

OK, you've got an obsession with playing LPs, or maybe a fetish.

Get the idea? No-one to impress, no-one taking note.....

Enjoy!, but don't run around blaming your prejudices, obsessions and
fetishes on failings of the CD format.

Now, if you (or anyone else) get anything like the same
pleasure from your CDs, I am utterly *delighted* for
you!! :-)

Given the wonderful variety of music available on digital formats, being
able to listen to them for hours and hours is some kind of a wonderful gift.

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Scott makes up a straw man argument:

One would think from your post that one's ability to
solder has something to do with one's ability to make
aesthetic judgements. Do I hve to tell you just how
stupid that idea is?

No Scott, you told us how stupid that idea is when you made it up.

Engineers do the work the hobbyists
consume it.

Scott might have us believe that all engineers:

(1) never make aesthetic judgements.

(2) have no interest in aesthetics

One does not need to know anything about
engineering to evaluate the results.

Simply not true. It takes technical knowlege to properly evaluate a
technological product.



Utter ********, consumers are the best evaluators of *any* product - every
crock produced since the Beginning Of Time has been graded/passed as 'OK' by
someone, for some reason or other.....

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(redundant bull**** from a chronic underachiever snipped)

Arny, you are just a troll. It is the best you can do in
life. That is sad. I know we are not supposed to feed
trolls but sometimes you are just too funny not to toy
with. But alas, in the long run you are boring. Same old
crap day in and day out for years. Years from now, if you
are still alive, I could check in and with out a doubt
see you saying the same crap. I am done toying with you
for now. This your cue to declare victory and do your
Usenet loser victory dance. Seriously, if I were you I'd
think about putting a bullet through my head. I shudder
to think what it must be like to have your ego and be a
life time under achiever.

Scott's obviously out of his league - his posts are either peppered with
insults or just plain insulting.

Here's some helpful advice Scott - find a good newsgroup about some area
where you have some expertise in, like makeup.