"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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Did you not see this link to a pic of my own 'Binge' CD?

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Binge.JPG

Note the title of Track 19....


Just had a look. Ernest Tomlinson/Slovak Radio Orchestra.
Good pedigree. I suppose you have no way of comparing
this with the version which R4 used?


Not a chance....




I would be interested to hear the ASV recording conducted
by the composer (which they must have bought from somewhere
as Ronald Binge died in the early 70s, before ASV came into
existence.

There is also a version conducted by Sidney Torch (he of
Friday Night is Music Night fame) It would be interesting to
hear that also.


Yes. So many interesting things....

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
The version of Sailing By that Radio 4 use is not available
commercially. ..."

from the description of the same BBC link...???

This may no longer be the case (or it was probably re-recorded)

To the best of my knowledge it's still the library version. It's near
impossible to produce a 'new' version that sounds exactly the same.

Agreed, and yet the time frame seems odd, if the library version
(Chappell, I believe) was recorded in the 80's and there is a
commercial version conducted by the conductor who died circa
1973.

Usually, music libraries licence material for commercial release
*after* it has become famous as a theme tune from a TV series.
("The Power Game" Granada TV comes to mind)

Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/help/faqs_4.shtml

You're absolutely correct - I hadn't realised the link between them and
had read it as it being a Mantovani recording.

Ronald Binge, in addition to being the brains behind Mantovani
orchestrations, was also a very talented composer/conductor
in his own right. He had played accordeon in the Mantovani
orchestra since before the War.


I came across it while looking for some music for an episode of Rumpole,
so that dates it to the mid '80s. It was already being used by R4, but not
for long at that time.

Hmm. Interesting. Ronald Binge died in the earlly 70s, IIRC,
and there is a commercfial recording of Sailing By which he himself
conducted. I worked often as a 2E on the Mantovani sessions under
producer Tony D'Amato and engineer Arthu Lilley, and so
had met him on several occasions.


"Sailing By" is also the title of Ronald Binge's biography by
Mike Carey. It's a most interesting book, and covers in some
detail the Binge/Mantovani relationship.

Right. Can't say I'll rush out and buy it. ;-)

:-))
He was an important figure in British light-music. It's an interesting
read.

Iain

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
To the best of my knowledge it's still the library version. It's near
impossible to produce a 'new' version that sounds exactly the same.

Agreed, and yet the time frame seems odd, if the library version
(Chappell, I believe) was recorded in the 80's and there is a
commercial version conducted by the conductor who died circa
1973.

It is odd. Unfortunately I can't check as the superb Thames music library
- probably only second to the BBC one - no longer exists.
I've no idea the date the library version was recorded - simply that it
was on a CD of similar themes. The Rumpole I was dubbing took place on a
cruise liner - hence the theme. Think the ep was called Rumpole at Sea.

Usually, music libraries licence material for commercial release
*after* it has become famous as a theme tune from a TV series.
("The Power Game" Granada TV comes to mind)

Yup - and of course the commercial release will not sound the same as the
original. They often have to be re-recorded in stereo for commercial issue
- if old.

BTW, it also becomes very expensive IIRC *not* to re-record theme tunes
after a given number of years (MU regs?) which is why it happens often to
the chagrin of the viewers on long running series. Goodness knows what it
costs Coronation street to stick with the original but 'stereofied'
version.

--
*El nino made me do it

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Keith G" wrote:

* Good luck to her with the cancer an' all, but am I the only one who
doesn't immediately think about her *singing* when the name's mentioned..??
:-)

All I can think of when ever I see or hear about her is that she started out in a
tv-series and was used to push some dance music back in 80s. Which regardless of her
actual age at present will put her in the OLD category. Every odd album from here
since the 80s have been disasters and actually each and every one of them largely
unregarded by myself. I do have a few 12'' from back when she looked ok - but the
only one I really like is I Should Be So Lucky, which I got in the UK DJ issue: Cover
black as hell with a large hole to read the label. Maybe I like it because at the
time when I heard it a lot I could not see what she looked like

So she beats cancer. Wake me again when she wins Tour De Dope 7 times in a row.

-Mikkel, now gimme Samantha Fox. We don't see her trying to conquer the world with a
new album every second year.

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:53:28 -0000, "Keith G" wrote:

And with 900 out of a combined total of 4,200 albums I make that...

...er.....

....er...

a *significant* percentage!

It means that 1 of 5 buyers liked the larger picture....

-Mikkel, No uhm, it mean that 100% of the vinyl sold?

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 13:10:14 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Madonna springs to
mind. She's only managed two decent songs in her entire career.

Which two would they be then?
As far as I remember they were all pretty good in the 'eighties.

For me they will be Frozen and Open Your Heart. I liked OYH when it came out and have
played the 12'' version often in the years since. And I liked her again after she put
out the Ray Of Light album, Frozen being my personal favourite off the album.

I like parts of her recent album too but it is not as good as it is hyped up to be,
not as good as Ray of Light for me.

-Mikkel, Popquiz which member of an 80 english synth group helped make Ray Of Light?

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:24:01 +0200, "Iain Churches" wrote:

Keith. A visit to any large audio fare where, CDs and vinyl is sold cheek by
jowl, will demonstrate to anyone where the interest lies. People are
usually
buzzing like bees around the vinyl sellers:-))

I would not travel far to pick up a CD anyway, likely most other people whouldn't
either.

I for one am glad that the "great minds"on this and other groups have a low
opinion
of both vinyl and valve amps. It takes a little of the strain off the
demand, and helps
to keep the prices at a little more reasonable level.

Or perhaps they are saying that while hoping to get more vinyl at reasonable costs

I have just acquired a mint boxed set of Tchaikovsky: Complete Symphonies
VPO:Maazel. Brilliant:-)

A regular at Madness concerts was the Swan Lake theme..... Not saying they pushed me
on to classical but any classical music played by what is essentially a ska band will
sound a bit odd. I can forgive Suggs & Co for doing classical easy, had they
butchered a Motown classic I might have not.

-Mikkel

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 11:56:03 +0000, Laurence Payne lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom
wrote:

So there's a small but enthusiastic following for vinyl. Of which a
few will worship vinyl per se, but most will be interested in the
music on the vinyl.

And then there are the completists who don't care which media was issued but they
got to have one of each.

-Mikkel, or oneofeachist.....

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:40:55 +0200, "Iain Churches" wrote:

I have the feeling that the following is larger than one might
suspect. There is a huge amount of music which has not
been issued on CD. This includes many definitive versions
of classical works, and a lot of good jazz.

I suspect the large amounts of issued music on vinyl will not automatically warrant a
CD issue. And most people should be able to understand that.
What is really interesting and more the core issue is that most of the music that is
interesting to issue will have technical issues which are difficult to over come on
the budget that such would be given, and also many reissues strand on the fact that
the original master is not available or the rights for the issue do not cover CD
issues or permissions to issue on CD are not given. (In which case we're simply
waiting for the copyright to run out without renewal).

Also the buyers on the CD format should exist in such abundance that issuing an old
vinyl classic on CD will not be filantopic venture. At least not everytime. A way
around that is to seek sponsorship for the restauration of the master, or cleaning up
a vinyl copy sufficient to warrant a release on CD and perhaps even sponsorship of
research into ownership of rights and to seek permission. Even for cd manufacture and
advertising. For instance we may see that Sony-Columbia issues an obscure classical
recording and the CD itself is sponsored by Toshiba or Microsoft. Or perhaps by a
trust fund for the arts.

Getting the right people to believe in the sound decision of reissuing is half the
battle, if you cannot issue the music in a quality that warrants the CD issue then
simply doing it is not enough - most of the people who might welcome the CD issue
will prefer the vinyl issue simply because they become dissapointed in the quality or
workmanship of the CD issue. This happens more often than you think. Mostly due to
simplicfiation of the mastering process taking sound meant for analog releas on vinyl
and just turning it out on a digital media.
I think an outfit like EMI would treat an old recording much better in sound quality
than an issue by Elektra. It all has to do with how it is done and what the
motivation is, quick buck or a special treatment, both need not be impossible but it
is always a balance act.

-Mikkel