Don Pearce wrote:

That's because I set them at that level. What does seem to be
different is the level of the "solid" chunk - it seems to be lower on
the vinyl, indicating that maybe the dynamic range is greater.

Probably just the way it's displayed, scaling on the plot etc.

I'm actually a little disappointed in those drum beats - they lack the
"whack" I would like to hear from them, and maybe they are victims of
vinyl mastering in the bass department. I'd like to compare to the CD
- do you think you could post those opening bars somewhere I could get
at them so I can see how they sound? All I own is the vinyl.

Could be. Have a listen to this:

http://intranet.squirrel-net.co.uk/mp3/bubble-intro.mp3

741KB VBR, first few seconds of that track. Fades just before the vocals
start.

Just listening to the whole thing again myself right now - what a
musician (and poet). Talk about value for money in lyrics - only
rappers pile more words into a song.

Hell yeah. Graceland was always one of my favourite albums. Also
recently bought "Still Crazy After All These Years" - 50 Ways To Leave
Your Lover is a masterpiece.

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IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:08:29 +0000, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

That's because I set them at that level. What does seem to be
different is the level of the "solid" chunk - it seems to be lower on
the vinyl, indicating that maybe the dynamic range is greater.

Probably just the way it's displayed, scaling on the plot etc.

I'm actually a little disappointed in those drum beats - they lack the
"whack" I would like to hear from them, and maybe they are victims of
vinyl mastering in the bass department. I'd like to compare to the CD
- do you think you could post those opening bars somewhere I could get
at them so I can see how they sound? All I own is the vinyl.

Could be. Have a listen to this:

http://intranet.squirrel-net.co.uk/mp3/bubble-intro.mp3

741KB VBR, first few seconds of that track. Fades just before the vocals
start.

Yup - just as I suspected, there's a few dBs of bass cut on the vinyl
compared to the CD and it makes all the difference. Shame they
couldn't quite do the full monty on the vinyl, but that's physics for
you.

d
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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

Yup - just as I suspected, there's a few dBs of bass cut on the vinyl
compared to the CD and it makes all the difference. Shame they
couldn't quite do the full monty on the vinyl, but that's physics for
you.

Yup. Bet the rest of it sounds sweet on vinyl though.

I've noticed with vinyl... if the original recording was analogue (ie
the CD was AAD) the vinyl can often seem to sound better, eg a lot of
ABBA's older stuff. But an all digital recording tends to sound better
on CD, at least if you've got decent CD playback kit.

If CDs were properly mastered and this "loudness war" crap had never
happened then there'd probably be no need for DVD-A or SACD. /cynic

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Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735
Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/

IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 21:28:24 +0000, Glenn Richards
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

Yup - just as I suspected, there's a few dBs of bass cut on the vinyl
compared to the CD and it makes all the difference. Shame they
couldn't quite do the full monty on the vinyl, but that's physics for
you.

Yup. Bet the rest of it sounds sweet on vinyl though.

I've noticed with vinyl... if the original recording was analogue (ie
the CD was AAD) the vinyl can often seem to sound better, eg a lot of
ABBA's older stuff. But an all digital recording tends to sound better
on CD, at least if you've got decent CD playback kit.

Never really made that comparison.

If CDs were properly mastered and this "loudness war" crap had never
happened then there'd probably be no need for DVD-A or SACD. /cynic

"Proper" mastering is now just history, I'm afraid. Everything is just
loud. Interesting, though - I have "Famous Blue Raincoat" - a CD by
Jennifer Warnes. There is one track on that which never goes over
digital 10,000. It is intended to be played softly, and they have
mastered it exactly that way. I can't think of any others like that.

d

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