"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On 10 Jan 2007 20:31:07 -0800, "max graff" wrote:

Hi guys,

Another novice vinyl question :-P

I have seen many *new press* LPs come in 120g as well as 180g versions
(later being dearer) of the same recording.

I was wondering if the 180g version was any better sounding than the
'lighter' one.

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Max

The recorded sound won't be different, but there is a better chance
they will be flat, and your cartridge won't be going up and down like
a carousel horse while it is playing.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

....plus a bit more rotational mass and and touch more weight bearing down on
your finely tuned suspension but god knows if that would make any difference
to the sound ;-)
I'm more inclined to look for the virgin vinyl because records are melted
down again (label included) for reuse and bits of label are not conducive to
quieter vinyl.

Mike

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On 10 Jan 2007 20:31:07 -0800, "max graff" wrote:

Hi guys,

Another novice vinyl question :-P

I have seen many *new press* LPs come in 120g as well as 180g versions
(later being dearer) of the same recording.

I was wondering if the 180g version was any better sounding than the
'lighter' one.

Any inputs will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Max

The recorded sound won't be different, but there is a better chance
they will be flat, and your cartridge won't be going up and down like
a carousel horse while it is playing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

...plus a bit more rotational mass and and touch more weight bearing down
on your finely tuned suspension but god knows if that would make any
difference to the sound ;-)
I'm more inclined to look for the virgin vinyl because records are melted
down again (label included) for reuse and bits of label are not conducive
to quieter vinyl.

Mike



Hi Mike.

I have never heard of labels being included in the vinyl mix:-)
The pressing factories with which I am familiar all had a stamping
machine set up to punch out the label for vinyl rejects before the
vinyl it self was shredded and returned to the vat. The amount of
re-cycled vinyl needs to be carefully controlled as it detrimental
to the appearance of the pressing (though as far as I know there
is not audible difference)

Recycled vinyl was never used for top price labels, so I think
it most unlikely that it would be used for the 180g pressings to
which the OP was referring earlier in this thread.

Regards to all
Iain

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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Hi Mike.

I have never heard of labels being included in the vinyl mix:-)
The pressing factories with which I am familiar all had a stamping
machine set up to punch out the label for vinyl rejects before the
vinyl it self was shredded and returned to the vat. The amount of
re-cycled vinyl needs to be carefully controlled as it detrimental
to the appearance of the pressing (though as far as I know there
is not audible difference)

Recycled vinyl was never used for top price labels, so I think
it most unlikely that it would be used for the 180g pressings to
which the OP was referring earlier in this thread.

Regards to all
Iain


Hi Iain,

Thanx for the postcard, must have been an excellent trip. I know Wiki is not
gospel but here's a quote "
Since most vinyl records are from recycled plastic, it can lead to
impurities in the record, causing a brand new album to have audio artifacts
like clicks and pops. Virgin vinyl means that the album is not from recycled
plastic, and will be devoid of the possible impurities of recycled plastic."

Not good news for us who care about quiet vinyl, but yes though I'm very
glad to know the label in not part of the shredding process.

Hope things are well,

Best regards

Mike

Mike Gilmour wrote:
"Iain Churches" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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I have never heard of labels being included in the vinyl mix:-)
The pressing factories with which I am familiar all had a stamping
machine set up to punch out the label for vinyl rejects before the
vinyl it self was shredded and returned to the vat. The amount of
re-cycled vinyl needs to be carefully controlled as it detrimental
to the appearance of the pressing (though as far as I know there
is not audible difference)

Recycled vinyl was never used for top price labels, so I think
it most unlikely that it would be used for the 180g pressings to
which the OP was referring earlier in this thread.

I know Wiki
is not gospel but here's a quote "
Since most vinyl records are from recycled plastic, it can lead to
impurities in the record, causing a brand new album to have audio
artifacts like clicks and pops. Virgin vinyl means that the album is
not from recycled plastic, and will be devoid of the possible
impurities of recycled plastic."
Not good news for us who care about quiet vinyl, but yes though I'm
very glad to know the label in not part of the shredding process.

This is quite an interesting thread: I had no idea there was such a thing as
recycled vinyl, though I used to live near a pressing plant in New Malden
and once went to see it (about 35 years ago?)

What about original vinyl now? Hast the vinyl of 30-40 years ago inevitably
detoriorated in other ways? Was recycled vinyl used then?

"jasee" wrote


This is quite an interesting thread: I had no idea there was such a thing
as recycled vinyl, though I used to live near a pressing plant in New
Malden and once went to see it (about 35 years ago?)

What about original vinyl now? Hast the vinyl of 30-40 years ago
inevitably detoriorated in other ways? Was recycled vinyl used then?



If what I heard was anything like the truth, vinyl was recycled back in the
70s due to the 'Oil Crisis' at the time. Today, given the far smaller number
of records produced and the virtual disappearance of the supply/return
mechanism on a broad scale, I *suspect* it's unlikely anybody actually
bothers to **** about recycling records....

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"jasee" wrote


This is quite an interesting thread: I had no idea there was such a thing
as recycled vinyl, though I used to live near a pressing plant in New
Malden and once went to see it (about 35 years ago?)

What about original vinyl now? Hast the vinyl of 30-40 years ago
inevitably detoriorated in other ways? Was recycled vinyl used then?



If what I heard was anything like the truth, vinyl was recycled back in
the 70s due to the 'Oil Crisis' at the time. Today, given the far smaller
number of records produced and the virtual disappearance of the
supply/return mechanism on a broad scale, I *suspect* it's unlikely
anybody actually bothers to **** about recycling records....


The Oil Crisis was when the ultra thin LP came in, it was all about
conserving oil products at that time. I know because of the oil tankers I
served on at the time were ordered to go at half speed to save burning up to
much of the stuff. Going from Rotterdam to the Persian Gulf and back took
about 4 months with no going ashore & made the crews stir crazy. Thats the
reason I give for being an audiophile ;-)

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"jasee" wrote


This is quite an interesting thread: I had no idea there was such a
thing as recycled vinyl, though I used to live near a pressing plant in
New Malden and once went to see it (about 35 years ago?)

What about original vinyl now? Hast the vinyl of 30-40 years ago
inevitably detoriorated in other ways? Was recycled vinyl used then?



If what I heard was anything like the truth, vinyl was recycled back in
the 70s due to the 'Oil Crisis' at the time. Today, given the far smaller
number of records produced and the virtual disappearance of the
supply/return mechanism on a broad scale, I *suspect* it's unlikely
anybody actually bothers to **** about recycling records....


The Oil Crisis was when the ultra thin LP came in, it was all about
conserving oil products at that time. I know because of the oil tankers I
served on at the time were ordered to go at half speed to save burning up
to much of the stuff. Going from Rotterdam to the Persian Gulf and back
took about 4 months with no going ashore & made the crews stir crazy.
Thats the reason I give for being an audiophile ;-)



I blame it on all those polythene buckets and washing up bowls that started
to appear in the 60s.....

"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Thanx for the postcard, must have been an excellent trip. I know Wiki is
not gospel but here's a quote "
Since most vinyl records are from recycled plastic, it can lead to
impurities in the record, causing a brand new album to have audio
artifacts like clicks and pops. Virgin vinyl means that the album is not
from recycled plastic, and will be devoid of the possible impurities of
recycled plastic."



If you hold one of the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs' half-speed mastered
'Original Master Recordings' black LPs up to a strong light you can see the
light through it!!

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Thanx for the postcard, must have been an excellent trip. I know Wiki is
not gospel but here's a quote "
Since most vinyl records are from recycled plastic, it can lead to
impurities in the record, causing a brand new album to have audio
artifacts like clicks and pops. Virgin vinyl means that the album is not
from recycled plastic, and will be devoid of the possible impurities of
recycled plastic."



If you hold one of the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs' half-speed mastered
'Original Master Recordings' black LPs up to a strong light you can see
the light through it!!


Phew, stoppit now before you get ideas of using laser light and a smaller
disc ;-)

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Mike Gilmour" wrote


Thanx for the postcard, must have been an excellent trip. I know Wiki is
not gospel but here's a quote "
Since most vinyl records are from recycled plastic, it can lead to
impurities in the record, causing a brand new album to have audio
artifacts like clicks and pops. Virgin vinyl means that the album is not
from recycled plastic, and will be devoid of the possible impurities of
recycled plastic."



If you hold one of the Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs' half-speed mastered
'Original Master Recordings' black LPs up to a strong light you can see
the light through it!!


Phew, stoppit now before you get ideas of using laser light and a smaller
disc ;-)



Laugh if you like, but there could be summat in that - no direct contact to
*wear out* the record and a smaller disc to save space and allow players to
be made from tin and much smaller??

It's a wonder somebody hasn't already tried it.....