In article ,
RPS wrote:
PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!

The NS-1000Ms were a bit of a rose among thorns. ;-)

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RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman wrote in message ...
In article ,
Michael Scarpitti wrote:
he way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'.

Dunno what you mean by slow, but there's a lot to be said for keeping
crossover frequencies out of the ear's most critical band.

I thought so too, but over the decades I grew tired of the slowness.
When I had a chance to audition a used set of Yammies, I was blown
away. All the soft spots of the Studio 1's (which are almost identical
with the BC1's) were fixed. I had heard the Yammies many moons before,
back when they first came out, and I had forgotten about them.


The Yammies are MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and
uncoloured. You'll be stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.

They're far too 'chromium plated' for my tastes.

I love mine, and they simply blow away the Rogers Studio 1's, in all
respects. It is worth pointing out that I owned them for 20 years.

Dave Plowman wrote in message ...
In article ,
Michael Scarpitti wrote:
he way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'.

Dunno what you mean by slow, but there's a lot to be said for keeping
crossover frequencies out of the ear's most critical band.

I thought so too, but over the decades I grew tired of the slowness.
When I had a chance to audition a used set of Yammies, I was blown
away. All the soft spots of the Studio 1's (which are almost identical
with the BC1's) were fixed. I had heard the Yammies many moons before,
back when they first came out, and I had forgotten about them.


The Yammies are MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and
uncoloured. You'll be stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.

They're far too 'chromium plated' for my tastes.

I love mine, and they simply blow away the Rogers Studio 1's, in all
respects. It is worth pointing out that I owned them for 20 years.

The NS-1000Ms were a bit of a rose among thorns. ;-)

Well screw all that. They were sensitive!

I well remember to this day (like it'd be forgettable; no!) listening/
being nearly deafened by a Quad 606 at full whack feeding NS-1000Ms in
a small listening room upstairs in the Chatham branch (where I worked
part-time) of Sevenoaks Hi-Fi, playing Metallica's "One"! Imagine it:
100+ watts into NS-1000Ms in a small room, and it was LOUD! WOW! We sat
there transfixed, our ears nearly bleeding! I still have that 12", and damn
good it is too!

Mind you, we were the ones who had Kef 104 Mk II speakers downstairs
and who used to let rip with "Money For Nothing" and Belinda Carlisle's
"Nobody Owns Me" (or whatever that track was called) and wander off down
Chatham high street and see how far along we could still hear it!


Happy days!


Martin
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M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.fleetie.demon.co.uk

The NS-1000Ms were a bit of a rose among thorns. ;-)

Well screw all that. They were sensitive!

I well remember to this day (like it'd be forgettable; no!) listening/
being nearly deafened by a Quad 606 at full whack feeding NS-1000Ms in
a small listening room upstairs in the Chatham branch (where I worked
part-time) of Sevenoaks Hi-Fi, playing Metallica's "One"! Imagine it:
100+ watts into NS-1000Ms in a small room, and it was LOUD! WOW! We sat
there transfixed, our ears nearly bleeding! I still have that 12", and damn
good it is too!

Mind you, we were the ones who had Kef 104 Mk II speakers downstairs
and who used to let rip with "Money For Nothing" and Belinda Carlisle's
"Nobody Owns Me" (or whatever that track was called) and wander off down
Chatham high street and see how far along we could still hear it!


Happy days!


Martin
--
M.A.Poyser Tel.: 07967 110890
Manchester, U.K. http://www.fleetie.demon.co.uk

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R

I had spendor bc1 speakers fo 20 years and eventually exchanged them
for KEF 104 mk11 speakers. For sheer clarity I have not heard anything
to beat the KEFs.

Regards

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R

I had spendor bc1 speakers fo 20 years and eventually exchanged them
for KEF 104 mk11 speakers. For sheer clarity I have not heard anything
to beat the KEFs.

Regards

In article , Dave Plowman
wrote:
In article , RPS wrote:
That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and
the effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere
between my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted
through one change of tuner and amp.

A small amount of multi-path will give this effect while going
virtually unnoticed on most music.

An equivalent effect can also occur if the IF is a bit too narrow and/or
has an uneven inband response.

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Dave Plowman
wrote:
In article , RPS wrote:
That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and
the effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere
between my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted
through one change of tuner and amp.

A small amount of multi-path will give this effect while going
virtually unnoticed on most music.

An equivalent effect can also occur if the IF is a bit too narrow and/or
has an uneven inband response.

Slainte,

Jim

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Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

In article , Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', ...

I agree. I loved the Spendor BC1 many years ago when I bought my first
audio kit but could not afford them. A recent upgrade had me shortlisting
from the modern Spendor and Proac ranges.

For Spendor the OP may want to think of the "classic" large standmounters
like the SP1/2E (nominally a direct descendent of the BC1 - see
http://www.spendoraudio.com/HISTORY.HTM) as well as the newer more
prominently advertised "lifestyle" S8.

For Proac the Response series (Response D15, D25 ...) is probably the
appropriate range.

I also had a listen to the PMC FB1 and the Quad 22L (both excellent in
their own ways) before buying the Proac Response D15.

... but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.

Precisely so. Improved dynamics and imaging too compared to my (possibly
unreliable) audio memory.

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John Phillips