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RPS October 15th 03 09:44 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R

harrogate October 16th 03 06:26 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


--
Woody





harrogate October 16th 03 06:26 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


--
Woody





Mike O'Sullivan October 16th 03 07:50 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.


I added a REL Stadium sub-woofer to my BC1s. It sounds superb and gives the
Spendors a new lease of life.



Mike O'Sullivan October 16th 03 07:50 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 

"RPS" wrote in message
...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.


I added a REL Stadium sub-woofer to my BC1s. It sounds superb and gives the
Spendors a new lease of life.



Dave Plowman October 16th 03 08:00 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and
fit a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.


The first mod to this was simply a foam lining round the port.

--
*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 08:00 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and
fit a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.


The first mod to this was simply a foam lining round the port.

--
*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

RPS October 16th 03 09:08 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.
But I have not set up my system to listen to announcers and if they
carry on too long, I would change the station or the source anyway.

I would not change these speakers lightly. I am only interested in
investigating what is available, and at what price, that would feel
like an upgrade.

RPS

RPS October 16th 03 09:08 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.
But I have not set up my system to listen to announcers and if they
carry on too long, I would change the station or the source anyway.

I would not change these speakers lightly. I am only interested in
investigating what is available, and at what price, that would feel
like an upgrade.

RPS

tony sayer October 16th 03 11:00 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article , RPS
writes
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.


Well IMHO there're still damm good speakers and I'm still very happy
with the pair I use in my workshop/office!..FWIW!..

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer October 16th 03 11:00 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article , RPS
writes
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.


Well IMHO there're still damm good speakers and I'm still very happy
with the pair I use in my workshop/office!..FWIW!..

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer October 16th 03 11:03 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article , RPS
writes
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.
But I have not set up my system to listen to announcers and if they
carry on too long, I would change the station or the source anyway.


What "local" classical station would that be then?. Are you in the
states?, as there're no local classical stations in the UK.

I very much expect that your BC1's are showing up what the broadcasters
transmitting which is what they were originally used for, monitoring!..

I would not change these speakers lightly. I am only interested in
investigating what is available, and at what price, that would feel
like an upgrade.

RPS


--
Tony Sayer


tony sayer October 16th 03 11:03 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article , RPS
writes
harrogate wrote:
There is a Spendor mod for the BC1 to increase the size of the port and fit
a tube in it. Don't think I noticed much/any difference.

I went from BC1s to KEF Q55 but, apart from a brighter and less warm
presentation, I wish I had not. For classical/jazz and a good part of modern
light pop there really isn't much to beat the BC1.

If you're happy with them (presumably you have them on stands?) spend the
money on a holiday instead.


Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.
But I have not set up my system to listen to announcers and if they
carry on too long, I would change the station or the source anyway.


What "local" classical station would that be then?. Are you in the
states?, as there're no local classical stations in the UK.

I very much expect that your BC1's are showing up what the broadcasters
transmitting which is what they were originally used for, monitoring!..

I would not change these speakers lightly. I am only interested in
investigating what is available, and at what price, that would feel
like an upgrade.

RPS


--
Tony Sayer


Anthony Edwards October 16th 03 11:51 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:16 GMT, RPS wrote:

Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Perhaps the announcers themselves are hissing? I agree with other
comments in this thread that the Spendor BC1 is a classic monitor,
and it would be difficult indeed to improve significantly upon the
BC1 by replacement with a more modern alternative.

--
Anthony Edwards


Anthony Edwards October 16th 03 11:51 AM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:16 GMT, RPS wrote:

Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Perhaps the announcers themselves are hissing? I agree with other
comments in this thread that the Spendor BC1 is a classic monitor,
and it would be difficult indeed to improve significantly upon the
BC1 by replacement with a more modern alternative.

--
Anthony Edwards


Dave Plowman October 16th 03 02:13 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
RPS wrote:
The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Hmm. This is very likely to be as transmitted - or received - rather than
being down to the speaker. Of course it's quite possible to fry the HF
1300 'lower HF' units which will result in distorted sibilants.

--
*If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 02:13 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
RPS wrote:
The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Hmm. This is very likely to be as transmitted - or received - rather than
being down to the speaker. Of course it's quite possible to fry the HF
1300 'lower HF' units which will result in distorted sibilants.

--
*If you lived in your car, you'd be home by now *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

RPS October 16th 03 02:30 PM

WFMT signal and Spendor BC1 speakers
 

[chi.general added in case anybody cares to comment on the slight
"hissing" I hear in male WFMT announcers' voices on my audio system]

The only flaw I have ever noticed [in Spendor BC1's] has to do with male
voices (announcers on my local classical music station) which seem to
produce a very slight hissing. But I have not set up my system to listen to
announcers and if they carry on too long, I would change the station or
the source anyway.


What "local" classical station would that be then?. Are you in the
states?, as there're no local classical stations in the UK.


Yes, WFMT in Chicago.

I very much expect that your BC1's are showing up what the broadcasters
transmitting which is what they were originally used for, monitoring!..


That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and the
effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere between
my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted through
one change of tuner and amp.

Anyway, not a big deal since I don't sit down to a long session of
listening to announcers, and the speakers have performed very well on
music.

RPS

RPS October 16th 03 02:30 PM

WFMT signal and Spendor BC1 speakers
 

[chi.general added in case anybody cares to comment on the slight
"hissing" I hear in male WFMT announcers' voices on my audio system]

The only flaw I have ever noticed [in Spendor BC1's] has to do with male
voices (announcers on my local classical music station) which seem to
produce a very slight hissing. But I have not set up my system to listen to
announcers and if they carry on too long, I would change the station or
the source anyway.


What "local" classical station would that be then?. Are you in the
states?, as there're no local classical stations in the UK.


Yes, WFMT in Chicago.

I very much expect that your BC1's are showing up what the broadcasters
transmitting which is what they were originally used for, monitoring!..


That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and the
effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere between
my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted through
one change of tuner and amp.

Anyway, not a big deal since I don't sit down to a long session of
listening to announcers, and the speakers have performed very well on
music.

RPS

Michael Scarpitti October 16th 03 02:43 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Back in 1981, I purchased a pair of Rogers Studio 1's, which are quite
similar to the BC1 by Spendor. Two years ago, I sold them and got a
pair of used Yamaha NS-1000M's, which are actually a few years older.
I have been deliriously happy with them. I strongly recommend them.
Strongly! The way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'. The Yammies are
MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and uncoloured. You'll be
stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.

Michael Scarpitti October 16th 03 02:43 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Back in 1981, I purchased a pair of Rogers Studio 1's, which are quite
similar to the BC1 by Spendor. Two years ago, I sold them and got a
pair of used Yamaha NS-1000M's, which are actually a few years older.
I have been deliriously happy with them. I strongly recommend them.
Strongly! The way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'. The Yammies are
MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and uncoloured. You'll be
stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.

Michael Scarpitti October 16th 03 02:47 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Check e-bay for NS-1000M's. They go for $600-1500/pr, depending on
condition and the state of the ecomomy. Recently they have been
selling on the low end of that scale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=37 02

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 993

Michael Scarpitti October 16th 03 02:47 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Check e-bay for NS-1000M's. They go for $600-1500/pr, depending on
condition and the state of the ecomomy. Recently they have been
selling on the low end of that scale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=37 02

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=14 993

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 04:35 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:51:22 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:16 GMT, RPS wrote:

Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Perhaps the announcers themselves are hissing? I agree with other
comments in this thread that the Spendor BC1 is a classic monitor,
and it would be difficult indeed to improve significantly upon the
BC1 by replacement with a more modern alternative.


If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 04:35 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 11:51:22 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 09:08:16 GMT, RPS wrote:

Thank you for your response. Yes I do have them on stands and have been
happy enough to have lived with them for 20+ years. The only flaw I
have ever noticed has to do with male voices (announcers on my local
classical music station) which seem to produce a very slight hissing.


Perhaps the announcers themselves are hissing? I agree with other
comments in this thread that the Spendor BC1 is a classic monitor,
and it would be difficult indeed to improve significantly upon the
BC1 by replacement with a more modern alternative.


If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 04:35 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On 16 Oct 2003 07:43:20 -0700, (Michael
Scarpitti) wrote:

RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Back in 1981, I purchased a pair of Rogers Studio 1's, which are quite
similar to the BC1 by Spendor. Two years ago, I sold them and got a
pair of used Yamaha NS-1000M's, which are actually a few years older.
I have been deliriously happy with them. I strongly recommend them.
Strongly! The way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'. The Yammies are
MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and uncoloured. You'll be
stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.


They're good speakers, and certainly 'classics' like the BC1, but they
don't really compare to modern speakers such as the B&W N804s, which
are in the same price bracket as the NS-1000M when it was available
new on the UK market. They were always an *exciting* listen, but
lacked the smooth neutrality of contemporary Proacs. My neighbour had
Proacs at the time I had the Yammys, and we had many a 'frank and
forthright exchange of views' about their relative sound quality!

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 04:35 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On 16 Oct 2003 07:43:20 -0700, (Michael
Scarpitti) wrote:

RPS wrote in message ...
I have been living with a pair of old Spendor BC1 speakers. While I
bought these after careful research and auditions long ago, I have not
followed the market isince then. No doubt, much has changed.

I'd be grateful for your suggestions on what budget is rquired for a
meaningful upgrade, the next step up if you wish, in today's market. If
you can suggest a few names, primarily for classical music, that would
be even better.

A few friends have suggested Spendor's own S6, but I would like to
consider other options as well before choosing.

R


Back in 1981, I purchased a pair of Rogers Studio 1's, which are quite
similar to the BC1 by Spendor. Two years ago, I sold them and got a
pair of used Yamaha NS-1000M's, which are actually a few years older.
I have been deliriously happy with them. I strongly recommend them.
Strongly! The way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'. The Yammies are
MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and uncoloured. You'll be
stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.


They're good speakers, and certainly 'classics' like the BC1, but they
don't really compare to modern speakers such as the B&W N804s, which
are in the same price bracket as the NS-1000M when it was available
new on the UK market. They were always an *exciting* listen, but
lacked the smooth neutrality of contemporary Proacs. My neighbour had
Proacs at the time I had the Yammys, and we had many a 'frank and
forthright exchange of views' about their relative sound quality!

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 05:56 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
Michael Scarpitti wrote:
he way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'.


Dunno what you mean by slow, but there's a lot to be said for keeping
crossover frequencies out of the ear's most critical band.

The Yammies are MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and
uncoloured. You'll be stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.


They're far too 'chromium plated' for my tastes.

--
*The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging!

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 05:56 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
Michael Scarpitti wrote:
he way the the Spendor/Rogers BBC design uses the woofer,
by running it up into the mid-range, makes it 'slow'.


Dunno what you mean by slow, but there's a lot to be said for keeping
crossover frequencies out of the ear's most critical band.

The Yammies are MUCH, MUCH faster, and extraordinarily clean and
uncoloured. You'll be stunned. You'll skip sleep just to listen to them.


They're far too 'chromium plated' for my tastes.

--
*The first rule of holes: If you are in one, stop digging!

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

RPS October 16th 03 05:57 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.


I do like the BC1's. I selected them 20+ years ago after agonizing
comparisons involving competing models form KEF, B&W, B&O, Rogers,
Canton, and several American companies. (Since then I have been happy
enough not to search any more. My trips to audio shops have been for
other components, or with friends on their listening sessions. This did
expose me to several very good and very expensive speakers, but nothing
I would/could consider for myself.)

I appreciate your response, this is just the kind of recommendation I
need.

Do you have any opinion on the Dynaudio and new Quad range?

In any brand, what would be the expected price range for a speaker that
would be "a step up" from the BC1's, if the concept makes sense to you?

I envy the schedule I had during my earlier purchase. Schedule of
classes often left entire days "free". I lived in NYC and had to travel
to England a couple of times for family reasons. Chicago is not exactly
wilderness but it does not match the "NYC + London" combination. That
and time make it essential for me to work much more systematically,
with a short list of brands to explore.

PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!

RPS

RPS October 16th 03 05:57 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.


I do like the BC1's. I selected them 20+ years ago after agonizing
comparisons involving competing models form KEF, B&W, B&O, Rogers,
Canton, and several American companies. (Since then I have been happy
enough not to search any more. My trips to audio shops have been for
other components, or with friends on their listening sessions. This did
expose me to several very good and very expensive speakers, but nothing
I would/could consider for myself.)

I appreciate your response, this is just the kind of recommendation I
need.

Do you have any opinion on the Dynaudio and new Quad range?

In any brand, what would be the expected price range for a speaker that
would be "a step up" from the BC1's, if the concept makes sense to you?

I envy the schedule I had during my earlier purchase. Schedule of
classes often left entire days "free". I lived in NYC and had to travel
to England a couple of times for family reasons. Chicago is not exactly
wilderness but it does not match the "NYC + London" combination. That
and time make it essential for me to work much more systematically,
with a short list of brands to explore.

PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!

RPS

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 05:58 PM

WFMT signal and Spendor BC1 speakers
 
In article ,
RPS wrote:
That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and the
effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere between
my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted through
one change of tuner and amp.


A small amount of multi-path will give this effect while going virtually
unnoticed on most music.

--
*Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 05:58 PM

WFMT signal and Spendor BC1 speakers
 
In article ,
RPS wrote:
That's what I thought, but over the years I have listened to WFMT on a
large number of systems in various high-end stores in this area and the
effect was not always present. Of course it could be anywhere between
my antenna, tuner, amp, and the speaker, but it has persisted through
one change of tuner and amp.


A small amount of multi-path will give this effect while going virtually
unnoticed on most music.

--
*Remember not to forget that which you do not need to know.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Anthony Edwards October 16th 03 06:22 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:35:55 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.


I am awaiting with mounting excitement the arrival of my new ATC Active
10s and CA2 pre-amp next week!

--
Anthony Edwards


Anthony Edwards October 16th 03 06:22 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:35:55 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.


I am awaiting with mounting excitement the arrival of my new ATC Active
10s and CA2 pre-amp next week!

--
Anthony Edwards


Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 08:33 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:22:35 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:35:55 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.


I am awaiting with mounting excitement the arrival of my new ATC Active
10s and CA2 pre-amp next week!


Entirely different balance. Certainly to my taste, but likely not to
anyone who is happy with the BC1.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 08:33 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 18:22:35 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:35:55 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton
wrote:

If one did, however, then the obvious first stop is the current
Spendor range, then perhaps Proac.


I am awaiting with mounting excitement the arrival of my new ATC Active
10s and CA2 pre-amp next week!


Entirely different balance. Certainly to my taste, but likely not to
anyone who is happy with the BC1.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 08:33 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:57:46 GMT, RPS wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.


I do like the BC1's. I selected them 20+ years ago after agonizing
comparisons involving competing models form KEF, B&W, B&O, Rogers,
Canton, and several American companies. (Since then I have been happy
enough not to search any more. My trips to audio shops have been for
other components, or with friends on their listening sessions. This did
expose me to several very good and very expensive speakers, but nothing
I would/could consider for myself.)

I appreciate your response, this is just the kind of recommendation I
need.

Do you have any opinion on the Dynaudio and new Quad range?


The Dynaudio range is IMHO absolutely superb, but may be a little too
'in yer face' for someone who is happy with the slightly 'rose-tinted'
balance of the BC1.

In any brand, what would be the expected price range for a speaker that
would be "a step up" from the BC1's, if the concept makes sense to you?


You wouldn't need to spend more than £1,000 to obtain an *objectively*
superior speaker, but to get something with the same warm balance as
the BC1, but with the clarity of modern speakers, might take twice the
money and a *lot* of careful searching. There is a *huge* range of
highly competent speakers on the market these days, in the critical
£1,000 to £3,000 range. They all sound different, and only one will
the 'best' for you.

I envy the schedule I had during my earlier purchase. Schedule of
classes often left entire days "free". I lived in NYC and had to travel
to England a couple of times for family reasons. Chicago is not exactly
wilderness but it does not match the "NYC + London" combination. That
and time make it essential for me to work much more systematically,
with a short list of brands to explore.


Ahhhh, the farty city must indeed seem like one of the inner circles
of Dante's Inferno, after the stunning cultural combination of NYC and
London!

PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!


They were extremely good. Not neutral by any means, but always clean,
exciting and dramatic - 'musical' in the best sense.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 16th 03 08:33 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:57:46 GMT, RPS wrote:

Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Personally, if the poster likes the BC1, I'm sure that he'd find the
current Spendor and Proac ranges to be 'more of the same', but
generally cleaned up and with tighter bass.


I do like the BC1's. I selected them 20+ years ago after agonizing
comparisons involving competing models form KEF, B&W, B&O, Rogers,
Canton, and several American companies. (Since then I have been happy
enough not to search any more. My trips to audio shops have been for
other components, or with friends on their listening sessions. This did
expose me to several very good and very expensive speakers, but nothing
I would/could consider for myself.)

I appreciate your response, this is just the kind of recommendation I
need.

Do you have any opinion on the Dynaudio and new Quad range?


The Dynaudio range is IMHO absolutely superb, but may be a little too
'in yer face' for someone who is happy with the slightly 'rose-tinted'
balance of the BC1.

In any brand, what would be the expected price range for a speaker that
would be "a step up" from the BC1's, if the concept makes sense to you?


You wouldn't need to spend more than £1,000 to obtain an *objectively*
superior speaker, but to get something with the same warm balance as
the BC1, but with the clarity of modern speakers, might take twice the
money and a *lot* of careful searching. There is a *huge* range of
highly competent speakers on the market these days, in the critical
£1,000 to £3,000 range. They all sound different, and only one will
the 'best' for you.

I envy the schedule I had during my earlier purchase. Schedule of
classes often left entire days "free". I lived in NYC and had to travel
to England a couple of times for family reasons. Chicago is not exactly
wilderness but it does not match the "NYC + London" combination. That
and time make it essential for me to work much more systematically,
with a short list of brands to explore.


Ahhhh, the farty city must indeed seem like one of the inner circles
of Dante's Inferno, after the stunning cultural combination of NYC and
London!

PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!


They were extremely good. Not neutral by any means, but always clean,
exciting and dramatic - 'musical' in the best sense.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Dave Plowman October 16th 03 10:25 PM

Upgrading from an old Spendor BC1
 
In article ,
RPS wrote:
PS. Given that speakers are one thing the British (Japanese) have the
reputation of doing (not doing) right, I find it interesting that a
British audiophile should have owned Yamaha speakers; they must have
been quite good!


The NS-1000Ms were a bit of a rose among thorns. ;-)

--
*Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn


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