A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

A few things here - I hope it's clear that this implies "one
psychologists view" and not "the view of psychology". Second, HiFi
devotees and music lovers are not a binary. Third, fetishism is only
one of several hooks to hang this particular hat on, others being
creativity and obsessional behaviour. The statements are so
generalised I'd like to know more about the author's background in
psychology. He doesn't seem to be following the thread as far as I can
see - maybe he's just lobbed a grenade over the wall. I suspect this
may also be a post from somebody with a different identity.

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
A few things here - I hope it's clear that this implies "one
psychologists view" and not "the view of psychology". Second, HiFi
devotees and music lovers are not a binary. Third, fetishism is only
one of several hooks to hang this particular hat on, others being
creativity and obsessional behaviour. The statements are so
generalised I'd like to know more about the author's background in
psychology. He doesn't seem to be following the thread as far as I can
see - maybe he's just lobbed a grenade over the wall. I suspect this
may also be a post from somebody with a different identity.


I hope you noted that the article is from the early '80's....so far as I can
tell this was just a troll. Moreover, RAP has very little to do with
audiophile obsession.

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

Phil is a very lonely man, extremely intelligent and knowledgeable, but
unable to make people like him. His need for intellectual stimulation is in
conflict with his revulsion for human contact.

"roughplanet" wrote in message
...
"TT" wrote in message
...

"roughplanet" wrote in message
...
:
: If you believe that Phil Allison is a member of anyone on aus.hi-fi's
circle
: of friends, either you don't know him very well or the circle you're
: referring to has a diameter of 1 mm or less.
: Mark's reply was in fact, quite succinct, as Philthy has used the term
: 'Nazi' to describe almost everyone on this newsgroup at some time or
other,
: and so, by now, ought to be an expert on the subject.

I wish to invoke Godwin's Law ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

BTW it's directed at you Ruff BUT the first person who
mentioned it i.e. Philthy.

How appropriate. Godwin must know Philthy pretty well :-).

ruff

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Phil is a very lonely man,

Now there's a statement of the obvious. ;-)

--
*I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

In article .com,
Karl Winkler wrote:
On Mar 8, 9:31 am, (Philip Homburg) wrote:
In article .com,

Karl Winkler wrote:
However, they could discuss the way the gear is set up, i.e. speaker
placement, acoustical treatments, etc.

How you expect that to work? "Where do I place speakers in my almost, but
not quite square room?"

Why not?

Okay, please tell me.

But instead, they talk mostly
about the gear from the standpoint of religious fanaticism. Just like
with politics. I think it's interesting that religion, politics and
brands are often discussed with the same level of fervor.

So you think that talking about speaker placement or acoustical treatments
is much better use of ones time then talking about minute difference between
hifi equipment?

Not necessarily - only that it's interesting in that the discussions
are so lopsided in favor of minutiae rather than information and
discussions most people can use.

For discussion, people have to disagree. For FAQs, it is much better to have
web-site.

No, just pointing a photo camera and pressing the button is much less
work than listing the rather heavy high-end hifi equipment.

I assume you meant "lifting"? Sure it's easier. But what of it? Is it
easier to create a photograph that people would want to look at than
to just turn on your audio system?

So? Most people think their pictures are great (especially if they have
high-end cameras).

So taking pictures is slightly more difficult than playing a record, but
not much (in some sense, properly adjusting a turntable takes a lot more
technical knowledge than just pressing the shutter release on an
auto-everything camera).

But how does that help? In talking about selecting hifi equipment or
about photography is is hard work to come up with general principles, and
most of those are already covered in books about the subject.

Perhaps, but the drawback of books is that in terms of the technology,
they are usually out of date.

What revolution in speaker placement did I miss?

But discussions are
different because they are interactive and there may be the
opportunity to hear from someone who has encountered your specific
situation or knows about what you are trying to accomplish.

If a photography technique problem is common enough that other people
already solved it, there is a very good chance that some textbook will
provide the hints you need to solve it.

Of course, expert can critique other people pictures. But that doesn't work
very well for various reasons.

In comparison, discussing equipment is much easier, so that is what people
do. (If you are an expert in photography, you are probably out taking
pictures, instead of looking at pictures that contain loads of mistakes that
are mentioned in every textbook.

"What I did to take this picture", or "the hifi equipment I had in the past",
just isn't likely to stimulate discussion.

Maybe not - but that's the core of this thread isn't it? Why aren't
those topics likely to generate discussion?

Because most people don't care as much. And you need a very good author (who
is also an accomplished photographer) to get something worth reading about the
background of his photos. So most people can't really participate.

Just saying 'brand X' is best, is guaranteed to generate fireworks.

Of course, but why?

Because my car is better than you car. That's just the it works.


--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

Do you know all that stuff for fact or is it a characterisation?

As a characterisation, it may be a little over the top! ...but don't let me
stop you.

The only thing I object to is any derogatory allusion to his source of
income. If Phil is suffering from chronic clinical depression, as I suspect
he is, he deserves financial support. The alternatives are worse!

As a pensioned disabled carer, the only source of income I have is from that
pension and the only thing that keeps me happy and is music, glorious music.

The same goes for my dependant, who is bed ridden. I've built him his own
remote controlled Hi-Fi and entertainment system sitting at the end of his
bed. The necessity to do so on a small income is what compels me towards
DIY.




"TT" wrote in message
...

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Phil is a very lonely man,

Except he voices in his head keep him company ;-)

extremely intelligent

Intelligent maybe but NOT smart. A classic example is when
he paid A$4,500 for a dud set of Quad ESL 57s. Here is the
all time Quad expert making a complete fool of himself :-))
It is a very funny story. BTW just as Pavlov trained dogs I
have trained Philthy. The mere mention of this will get him
to trot it all out again - just wait ;-)

and knowledgeable, but

Yes he uses Google very well and this can feign knowledge
easily ;-)

unable to make people like him.

This has something to do with his strict Catholic upbringing
and his repressed homosexual tendencies.

His need for intellectual stimulation is in

The word you are looking for here is "Ego". This needs to
be constantly fed. e.g. just mention to him you have *any*
formal qualification (even a swimming certificate or drivers
license) and just see what happens let a alone a Uni degree.
Philthy has *NO* qualifications at all! Period. He does not
even have a driver's license. He is a failure at everything
he tried and even quit 2 years into a university degree that
was fully funded by a scholarship.

conflict with his revulsion for human contact.

That is because every human he comes in contact with is
sickened by him.

So Mark do we need to mention he is also a net stalking,
libelling, unemployed, backyard tinkerer who tries to fix
various pieces of domestic appliances on his kitchen table
as well? ;-) Or the fact that the only reason why his sorry
arse has not been dragged through the courts already for
defamation is that he has *NO* assets. He pretends to have
an income from his hobby "fix it" business he runs from his
rundown rented bed-sit when he is obviously receiving some
sort of govt. hand out.

The truth is this guy is nothing but a very sad, lonely old
man who is a total failure at life and is really something
to be pitied.

Regards TT (a past victim of this psycho)

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Phil is a very lonely man,

Except he voices in his head keep him company ;-)

extremely intelligent

Intelligent maybe but NOT smart. A classic example is when
he paid A$4,500 for a dud set of Quad ESL 57s. Here is the
all time Quad expert making a complete fool of himself :-))
It is a very funny story. BTW just as Pavlov trained dogs I
have trained Philthy. The mere mention of this will get him
to trot it all out again - just wait ;-)

and knowledgeable, but

Yes he uses Google very well and this can feign knowledge
easily ;-)

unable to make people like him.

This has something to do with his strict Catholic upbringing
and his repressed homosexual tendencies.

His need for intellectual stimulation is in

The word you are looking for here is "Ego". This needs to
be constantly fed. e.g. just mention to him you have *any*
formal qualification (even a swimming certificate or drivers
license) and just see what happens let a alone a Uni degree.
Philthy has *NO* qualifications at all! Period. He does not
even have a driver's license. He is a failure at everything
he tried and even quit 2 years into a university degree that
was fully funded by a scholarship.

conflict with his revulsion for human contact.

That is because every human he comes in contact with is
sickened by him.

So Mark do we need to mention he is also a net stalking,
libelling, unemployed, backyard tinkerer who tries to fix
various pieces of domestic appliances on his kitchen table
as well? ;-) Or the fact that the only reason why his sorry
arse has not been dragged through the courts already for
defamation is that he has *NO* assets. He pretends to have
an income from his hobby "fix it" business he runs from his
rundown rented bed-sit when he is obviously receiving some
sort of govt. hand out.

The truth is this guy is nothing but a very sad, lonely old
man who is a total failure at life and is really something
to be pitied.

Regards TT (a past victim of this psycho)

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Do you know all that stuff for fact or is it a
characterisation?

I'll start at the beginning. Philthy here has a hobby
business and as such under Australian taxation law is not
registered for GST which means his turnover is less than
A$50,000 per year. Where he lives and the rents he would
paying makes for a very meagre lifestyle if this was his
only income. Remember we are talking turnover not profit
here. So it is an "educated guess" yes.

see http://tinyurl.com/3bfrze

As a characterisation, it may be a little over the top!
....but don't let me
stop you.

Please remember that I and several of my friends in business
here have had this guy has *PAY* for company searches on
our businesses and then he has proceeded to malign and libel
anyone else attached to those businesses in cluding family
members.

The only thing I object to is any derogatory allusion to
his source of
income. If Phil is suffering from chronic clinical
depression, as I suspect
he is, he deserves financial support. The alternatives are
worse!

I have no objection to Philthy receiving government
assistance *except* he needs to forced to keep on his
medications and/or institutionalised without internet
access! Also please do not misunderstand my intention here,
I am not in anyway belittling anyone who genuinely needs
support *BUT* I am having a shot at Philthy who constantly
carries on as if he is a grand entrepreneur and has a
thriving electronics business.

As you have no doubt seen he is constantly having a shot at
*anyone* that has a mere glimmer of success attached to them
and if in doubt please do a Google Groups search?

As a pensioned disabled carer, the only source of income I
have is from that
pension and the only thing that keeps me happy and is
music, glorious music.

My sincerest sympathies here and am very pleased you can
find happiness in music. I believe in genuine cases as
yourself the social services are in no way doing enough to
help and support people in your situation. I only have a
problem with people recieving benefits they are not entitled
to.

BTW do a Google Groups search on philthy's name and
"Autistic" http://tinyurl.com/ysnxme

I also apologise in advance for the potential distress you
may have in reading Philthy's posts in that link.

I make it 836! So please tell me how much he really cares
for the sufferes of this condition or the people engaged in
their care? Or the numerous times he has told people to
"get cancer and die"? I personally find it very difficult
to to feel any sympathy for this sad little man and no
hardship is too bad to befall him.



The same goes for my dependant, who is bed ridden. I've
built him his own
remote controlled Hi-Fi and entertainment system sitting
at the end of his
bed. The necessity to do so on a small income is what
compels me towards
DIY.

There will be enornous amout of good quality second hand
gear coming on the market as manufacturers push for ever
more featured gizmos ;-) Just think what a Playstation 2
will be worth in about 2 weeks ;-) As entertainment box
with networking abilty, DVD/CD replay and a HD it may be
something to think about perhaps.


So finally Mark if I have offended you in any way please
accept my apology as it was not my intention to disparage
anyone except Philthy.

Cheers TT

A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

"TT" wrote in message
...

"Mark" wrote in message
...
Do you know all that stuff for fact or is it a
characterisation?

I'll start at the beginning. Philthy here has a hobby
business and as such under Australian taxation law is not
registered for GST which means his turnover is less than
A$50,000 per year. Where he lives and the rents he would
paying makes for a very meagre lifestyle if this was his
only income. Remember we are talking turnover not profit
here. So it is an "educated guess" yes.

see http://tinyurl.com/3bfrze

As a characterisation, it may be a little over the top!
...but don't let me
stop you.

Please remember that I and several of my friends in business
here have had this guy has *PAY* for company searches on
our businesses and then he has proceeded to malign and libel
anyone else attached to those businesses in cluding family
members.

The only thing I object to is any derogatory allusion to
his source of
income. If Phil is suffering from chronic clinical
depression, as I suspect
he is, he deserves financial support. The alternatives are
worse!

I have no objection to Philthy receiving government
assistance *except* he needs to forced to keep on his
medications and/or institutionalised without internet
access! Also please do not misunderstand my intention here,
I am not in anyway belittling anyone who genuinely needs
support *BUT* I am having a shot at Philthy who constantly
carries on as if he is a grand entrepreneur and has a
thriving electronics business.

As you have no doubt seen he is constantly having a shot at
*anyone* that has a mere glimmer of success attached to them
and if in doubt please do a Google Groups search?

As a pensioned disabled carer, the only source of income I
have is from that
pension and the only thing that keeps me happy and is
music, glorious music.

My sincerest sympathies here and am very pleased you can
find happiness in music. I believe in genuine cases as
yourself the social services are in no way doing enough to
help and support people in your situation. I only have a
problem with people recieving benefits they are not entitled
to.

BTW do a Google Groups search on philthy's name and
"Autistic" http://tinyurl.com/ysnxme

I also apologise in advance for the potential distress you
may have in reading Philthy's posts in that link.

I make it 836! So please tell me how much he really cares
for the sufferes of this condition or the people engaged in
their care? Or the numerous times he has told people to
"get cancer and die"? I personally find it very difficult
to to feel any sympathy for this sad little man and no
hardship is too bad to befall him.



The same goes for my dependant, who is bed ridden. I've
built him his own
remote controlled Hi-Fi and entertainment system sitting
at the end of his
bed. The necessity to do so on a small income is what
compels me towards
DIY.

There will be enornous amout of good quality second hand
gear coming on the market as manufacturers push for ever
more featured gizmos ;-) Just think what a Playstation 2
will be worth in about 2 weeks ;-) As entertainment box
with networking abilty, DVD/CD replay and a HD it may be
something to think about perhaps.


So finally Mark if I have offended you in any way please
accept my apology as it was not my intention to disparage
anyone except Philthy.

Cheers TT


Mark,

Everything Terry has said is the truth. If anything I think he has painted
an optimist's view of Phil and tried to see the positive side of him.

For years I've been a victim of Phil. First it was just a fax message to my
workplace, then numerous posts all over various newsgroups claiming I'm a
sex tourist and a paedophile. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Then came the harassment on Usenet of my business partner. Phil published
his personal details all over several newsgroups and still got it wrong by
not ensuring the so called "facts" were indeed up to date. He published
links to our website making all sorts of unfounded accusations about the
nature of our business..

Next he had someone do several visits to my home. Phil reporting on Usenet
enough detailed information such as my address, what was growing in my front
garden behind a brick wall etc to be convincing enough he had someone
stalking me. Bear in mind I live in Perth - Phil lives in Sydney. Anyone
going to this extreme to get some else to spy on someone thousands of
kilometres away has (IMHO) some serious unresolved issues. In short the guy
is a crackpot. As Terry has said, perhaps to be pitied, but IMHO he's
positively dangerous. Stalking today - more serious crime tomorrow.

All you need to do to get Phil's undivided attention is to openly disagree
with something he has posted on UseNet. Doesn't matter what it is about.
Within three posts in a thread you will be accused of being a "****wit",
quickly followed by all manner of abuse. Then if you are really unlucky you
may start to receive the same degree of unwanted attention some of us have
had to endure. The above examples are but merely a small sample of what
Phil is capable of. :-(

Cheers,
Alan

A psychologist\'s view of Hi-Fi fetishism
 

"Alan Rutlidge" wrote
in message
...
All you need to do to get Phil\'s undivided attention is to
openly disagree
with something he has posted on UseNet. Doesn\'t matter
what it is about.
Within three posts in a thread you will be accused of
being a "****wit",
quickly followed by all manner of abuse. Then if you are
really unlucky you
may start to receive the same degree of unwanted attention
some of us have
had to endure. The above examples are but merely a small
sample of what
Phil is capable of. :-(

Cheers,
Alan

Sad but very true :-(

BTW I was actually surprised at the search results of
"autistic" as well. I know he used it often but 836 times!

This is one sick puppy we\'re dealing with here :-(.

Cheers TT