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dave weil wrote:
On 13 May 2007 19:17:07 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:

I define what I want the sound to be and to do

As long as you don't define it for anyone else.

Oh wait, that's pretty much what you did.

I write for intelligent people, Dave. They make up their own minds
whether what I say makes sense. I wouldn't expect someone like you to
be able to follow in my footsteps.

Unsigned for the usual reason

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Andre Jute said:

What the hell is "bodge"????

I think John Byrns has already given the American as "kludge".

The correct spelling is "kluge" (rhymes with stooge).



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John Byrns wrote:
In article . com,
Gerry wrote:

On May 13, 6:33 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
Seeing all the posts about RIAA filters, I can only say I hope none of
the participants passed on the gene of obsessive shortsightedness that
draws audiophiles into the wastelands of RIAA. Vinyl discs are bad
enough when good clean CD's are available, but RIAA is a bodge to
correct another bodge. Two bodges don't make it right.

Andre Jute
uses only CD and so has time for more music

What the hell is "bodge"????

It may not be completely accurate, but as a working definition I think
of "bodge" as a British synonym for "kludge".

I would say it is more than "a working definition". "Kludge" is an
exact equivalent of "bodge". However, as I explained elsewhere,
personal experience (I haven't looked it up yet) inclines me not to
believe too much in a strict line of demarcation down the middle of
the Atlantic on this one. Both words appear in my experience to have
currency on both sides of the Atlantic.

Regards,

John Byrns

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On 14 May 2007 09:21:29 -0700, Andre Jute wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:

That's all very interesting for the etymology of the word, but the
meaning in context here is to do a job by some other means than the
official one - without any sort of judgement as to how good the result
is.

Rubbish! I used the word at the start of this thread precisely to mean
that the official way, RIAA compensation, is a bodge to fix a
recording bodge; both are the official methods of a venerable
institution. A tech near you offers remedial English courses, Pearce;
you might profit by them.


Here's a scenario that may help - it is fictitious, so don't worry too
much about my well-being.

I was driving home when the heater hose sprang a leak. I didn't have a
spare with me, so I bodged it with some duct tape. That was good
enough to get me home.

I was driving home when the heater hose sprang a leak. I called the
RAC and the chap fitted a new one, but he botched it by leaving a
Jubilee clip loose, so I lost all the water again.

See the usage of the two words?

As for your usage - matching a curve with its precise complement and
describing that as a bodge is ********; there's another alliterative
word for you.

Happy to see, by the way, that today you are a Hell's Angel. Are you
pedalling your bike around the garden and going Vroom Vroom? I must
have missed the day you were an astronaut - when was that? What are
you going to be tomorrow, I wonder?

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Andre Jute said:

My suggestion is to find a 12-year-old child who earns a B average in
school and ask the child to clue you in.

I can glance up at about 16 shelf-feet of computer manuals still in
shrinkwrap. When a new programme arrives, I put the manuals on the
shelf and give the discs to a teenager and tell him to come back in a
week and tell me how it works. Never fails.

Fortunately, such shenanigans are largely no longer necessary for
software apps. One of the few good things about Microsoft's dominion is
the standardization of user-accessible controls.

Also works for
televisions, DVD recorders and all kinds of electronics that, even if
you have the time to fartarse around with the instructions, require an
intimate understanding of Japlish as translated from Korean via
Chinese by a dyslexic.

I was ever so annoyed to discover that my second cell phone (around '97
or so) had a markedly different interface from my previous one.
Fortunately, cell phones are gravitating toward a certain amount of
standardization, as mass-market electronics have already done. Probably
the last holdout for idiosyncratic support will be "high end" audio,
whose manuals still include some terribly crude ones.

Speaking of unspeakably awful interfaces, check out the bastion of
Kroofulness at http://www.pcabx.com/.





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Andre Jute said:

I define what I want the sound to be and to do

As long as you don't define it for anyone else.
Oh wait, that's pretty much what you did.

I write for intelligent people, Dave. They make up their own minds
whether what I say makes sense. I wouldn't expect someone like you to
be able to follow in my footsteps.

You mistook what dave meant.




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Andre Jute wrote:

Laurence Payne wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:04:28 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

No, that's Wrongipedia for 'botch' - bodge means making chair legs or
summat. See:

In the usage I know, "botch" is pejorative, it implies making a mess
of the job. "Bodge" is more neutral. "It's a bodge, but it's held up
very well." cf "Jury-rigged".

The woodworking derivation is interesting, but doesn't prove much :-)

Laurence has got it spot on. A bodger might be used to line up two
intransigent holes so components can be bolted together.

A metal spike used to place into two bolt holes of overlapping
steel plates by a rigger so he can insert a bolt into two
other holes that could be then be lined up was called a podger when I
was building.
The podger came in various sizes and had the tapered spike one end and a
spanner head at the other.
so that after getting a nut started on a bolt the podger was removed and
used to tighten the nut.


In about 1957, when some young folks discovered rock and roll and
delighted in making themselves
look utterly repugnant and stoopid to their fogie old parents with a
greasy hair do with a mop
of hair out in front and hanging forward, and with black shiny pointed
shoes,
and stove pipe trousers, they called themselves bodgies.

There were Widgies as well, but I never knew any.

There is no accounting for style.

Patrick Turner.

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Patrick Turner wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

Seeing all the posts about RIAA filters, I can only say I hope none of
the participants passed on the gene of obsessive shortsightedness that
draws audiophiles into the wastelands of RIAA. Vinyl discs are bad
enough when good clean CD's are available, but RIAA is a bodge to
correct another bodge. Two bodges don't make it right.

Andre Jute
uses only CD and so has time for more music

I doubt you really know what you are missing out upon.

But all the really keen musically eclectic ppl i know who have vast cd
collections
indicating a misspent middle age also still enjoy vinyl.
Most find that despite the vast sums they have spent on
cd players and transports, da converters, isolation platforms and
other widgets and gadgets, the humble black disk continues to delight,
and
give a greater sense of connection to the artist than any CD manages to
do.

I have been present at a number of AB comparisons where a CD version
and vinyl version of the same material from the same grand old master
tape
was being played, and we could switch from one to the other,
and vinyl seemed to have more to offer the audiophile subjectively.

Mind you, the whole analog recording process onto tape et all is a huge
bodge to.

So is FM stereo mulptiplexing.

Never mind the bodges, the sound does not seem to suffer, when they do
it right, IMHO.

Patrick Turner.

I used to have c8000 vinyl discs, including some old shellac. I sold
the important subcollections and gave the rest away. Vinyl is just too
time-consuming. So much music to listen to, so little time. CDs are a
boon.

I think there is a certain masochism afield among audiophiles. Like
Morgan owners, or MG owners, they think that hardship on one's
pleasures is a symptom of manliness. I don't. I always preferred
Porsche. cars that worked and offered a modicum of comfort, and big-
engined fast tourers rather than harsh, loud sports cars. Same in my
sound systems. I define what I want the sound to be and to do, and
then put it together like that. That is why I think horns and panels
are important, and ultra-simple amplifiers -- and CDs, so that
chaniging the music is quick and easy.

There is nothing wrong with CD sound quality; it is better than good
enough. I decided to go over solely to CD on the day Nimbus, who
transfer ancient discs to CD, sent me a box of CDs including one of
Ponselle that was better than anything you could buy on any other
medium, no matter how much money you spent.

Andre Jute
Our legislators managed to criminalize fox-hunting and smoking; when
they will get off their collective fat backside and criminalize
negative feedback? It is clearly consumed only by the enemies of
fidelity.

And I am not taking a position on the vinyl vs.CD debate but I am
wondering if the convenience of playing both mediums were equal, which would
you prefer?
Next question, if you don't mind ...what are you using to play your CDs?
Thanks in advance.

west

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George M. Middius wrote:
Andre Jute said:

What the hell is "bodge"????

I think John Byrns has already given the American as "kludge".

The correct spelling is "kluge" (rhymes with stooge).


Is that right? Jenn and Bob Morein will enjoy this. In the movies
there a transition called a few-gew by moom pitcher pipple and a fewg
by anyone else, and spelled fugue by both parties. An example is when
you hear a phone ring in one scene and in the next scene see it ring
in a diffeerent setting; that's a few-gew.

All the same I think I'll stick with kludge because I would hate for
people I need to consider me stuck-up.

On your analogy, perhaps a bodge should be pronounced "booger" by us
edjicated people.

Andre Jute
"Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the
world, I can't help but cry. I mean I'd love to be skinny like that
but not with all those flies and death and stuff."
--- Mariah Carey.

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On Mon, 14 May 2007 12:27:53 -0400, George M. Middius cmndr _ george
@ comcast . net wrote:



Andre Jute said:

What the hell is "bodge"????

I think John Byrns has already given the American as "kludge".

The correct spelling is "kluge" (rhymes with stooge).

There is a separate British word kludge, with its own provenance. I
think the two have become confused over the past few years.

d

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