Had a listen on D-SAT for the first time and reasonable.. just a pity
that Auntie BBC couldn't give us a few more bits and she'd have an
ardent digital convert;!...
--
Tony Sayer

In article , tony sayer

wrote:

Had a listen on D-SAT for the first time and reasonable.. just a pity
that Auntie BBC couldn't give us a few more bits and she'd have an
ardent digital convert;!...

Watched/listened/recorded via DTTV BBC2TV. Thoroughly enjoyed the Walton
and Beethoven. May have to try again to see if I can come to terms with the
interpretation of the Elgar. As discussed in the interval, I am one of
those 'too acclimatised' to the du Pre/Barbirolli versions, etc, to find
this one easy to warm to. But a very enjoyable concert broadcast. Looking
forwards to the other concerts on DTTV BBC4. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , tony sayer

wrote:

Had a listen on D-SAT for the first time and reasonable.. just a
pity
that Auntie BBC couldn't give us a few more bits and she'd have an
ardent digital convert;!...

Watched/listened/recorded via DTTV BBC2TV. Thoroughly enjoyed the
Walton
and Beethoven. May have to try again to see if I can come to terms
with the
interpretation of the Elgar. As discussed in the interval, I am one
of
those 'too acclimatised' to the du Pre/Barbirolli versions, etc, to
find
this one easy to warm to. But a very enjoyable concert broadcast.
Looking
forwards to the other concerts on DTTV BBC4. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

So why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30 minutes
later than live.

Dumbing down again no doubt!


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:
... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30 minutes
later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You can't
fully synchronise too many combinations of:

- FM sound
- DAB sound
- Analogue TV sound
- DTTV sound

with

- Analogue TV vision
- DTTV vision

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

--
John Phillips

In article , John Phillips
wrote:
On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:
... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30
minutes later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You
can't fully synchronise too many combinations of:

[snip]

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

I have assumed it is because they now have the equipment to 'time shift'
the broadcast, and so do for convenient sheduling. Maybe it would also
allow some flexibility in case they want to snip out some of the 'padding'
in the interval should the concert run a few mins late.

Whatever, I watched/listened again yesterday afternoon to the recording I'd
made, and once again found it enjoyable. This time I enjoyed the Elgar
more. Pleased that my new recorder seems to have done a decent job.

Looking forwards keenly to the other proms. :-)

BTW In case anyone is interested BBC Music Mag this month has a cover DVD
of prom items. The music is excellent (and 48k LPCM). However you may
prefer to listen with your eyes shut! The video has been quite roughly
converted into 60/480 format. The result is quite obvious 'judder' on pans
and zooms. Bit like the cameras are being moved on octagonal wheels. ;-

And watching the fingers of the pianist too carefully when he is playing
may make you feel sea-sick... The effect is so bad it shows up even on
bowing of violins.

Frustrating given that the original was presumably in UK format. Someone
with more video experience than I may be able to diagnose the reasons
better. But I get the impression the needless 'conversion' simply takes the
'nearest' 25Hz frame and uses it for each 30Hz one... Whatever, the results
aren't too impressive. Bit sad that domestic video of home recordings from
DTTV should look better than a 'professional' product from the organisation
for whom the proms are an artistic flagship, with access to the original
recordings!

But the music is good. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html

On 2007-07-15, Jim Lesurf wrote:
In article , John Phillips
wrote:
On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:
... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30
minutes later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You
can't fully synchronise too many combinations of:

[snip]

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

I have assumed it is because they now have the equipment to 'time shift'
the broadcast, and so do for convenient sheduling. Maybe it would also
allow some flexibility in case they want to snip out some of the 'padding'
in the interval should the concert run a few mins late.

Yes - I was speculating on the technical issues but these are also
good reasons.

Whatever, I watched/listened again yesterday afternoon to the recording I'd
made, and once again found it enjoyable. This time I enjoyed the Elgar
more. Pleased that my new recorder seems to have done a decent job.

I too have and like the Du Pre / Barbirolli Elgar cello concerto on disc.
But I found the opening night version very good, so presumably I am not
too acclimatised to that "classic" recording.

Nevertheless I often find I AM acclimatised to performances and styles
of playing that I have heard in the past. Sometimes, with new versions
of familiar music or new pieces, I find it takes the second hearing for
me to appreciate the alternative musicality. So I tend to refrain from
judging performances too quickly (and indeed the same principle applied
when I was last selecting audio kit).

Looking forwards keenly to the other proms. :-)

Indeed. The Rameau last night was highly enjoyable. I can just imagine
something similar being performed at the French court of the time.

And then there's Wagner on 12th August to anticipate and many more to
savour ...

--
John Phillips

On Jul 15, 5:08 am, John Phillips
wrote:
On 2007-07-14, harrogate3 wrote:

... why the hell did they find it necessary to show it on TV 30 minutes
later than live.

I assume it's what they found out in practice a few years ago. You can't
fully synchronise too many combinations of:

- FM sound
- DAB sound
- Analogue TV sound
- DTTV sound

with

- Analogue TV vision
- DTTV vision

So TV and radio broadcasts of the Proms seem now to be deliberately well
separated to avoid complaints of poor synchronisation.

--
John Phillips


How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

Robert

In article .com,
RobertL wrote:
How interesting, yes of course. With the analgue TV and FM radio they
used to regularly so simultaneous broadcasts using the two together
but that is impossible now.

Even the "six pips" are late on DAB radio.

And the delay varies between receivers...

--
*If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I am one of
those 'too acclimatised' to the du Pre/Barbirolli versions, etc, to find
this one easy to warm to.

Interesting.

I always found Du Pre too overwrought for me and I much preferred the
more restrained approach of Paul Tortelier and Beecham , for example.

Nice to read something about the music rather than the technology!

Cheers

David

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 09:14:57 GMT, David Houpt
wrote:

those 'too acclimatised' to the du Pre/Barbirolli versions, etc, to find
this one easy to warm to.

Interesting.

I always found Du Pre too overwrought for me and I much preferred the
more restrained approach of Paul Tortelier and Beecham , for example.

Agreed. She always seemed to be saying "look how much I'M feeling"
rather than communicating the music. Rather like the way that girl
(can't remember her name - the one who died) mangles "Over The
Rainbow" with excessive emotion. Seems to appeal to the groundlings
though.