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Old August 29th 07, 01:15 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison
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Default Keith G = Stinker


"Keith the Giant Pommy Turd "


** Before anyone asks me about my trip to China



I doubt there's a single soul here believes you've been anywhere near the
place



** I never claimed to.

Oversnipping and false quoting proves what a vile

**** HEAD you really are.





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Old August 29th 07, 01:22 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Phil Allison
scribeth thus

"Keith G"

"Phil Allison"

"Keith the Gormless Git "



Feeble....



** Oh - so you think you deserve something more suitable ?

Aussies usually call pathetic, brain dead ratbags like you "Pommie pricks
".

But then, all pommies are pricks.



.....Now come on Phil, "all" of them?....

Funny how I noticed an awful lot of Aussie accents the other night in
Earls court would you believe, or have they come here to see if its as
bad as you say!...
--
Tony Sayer

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Old August 29th 07, 01:23 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison
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"Dave Plowman"


A belltree is a good one for those who think analogue tape recorders
perfect. ;-)



** One of these ?

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdiction.../Belltree.html

Why is it specially revealing


A piano played slowly, one note at a time, with a silent background reveals
tape modulation noise very well.





...... Phil




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Old August 29th 07, 01:24 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
It can be important when there is a wiring fault in the mic,
particularly with a ribbon mic, where it is possible to put phantom
across the ribbon and blast it out of the gap. If everything is OK,
though, there is never a problem putting phantom on a mic that doesn't
need it.

How do you get DC past its transformer?


With a ribbon the inrush current in the transformer is enough to do
the job. I've heard of permanently bent ribbons that way, although I
haven't seen it for myself.


The inrush current will surely be tiny given the correct standoff
resistors for phantom and the resistance of the primary winding? And the
ratio of the transformer would reduce it even more?


I can't think off hand of any mics that have the centre tap earthed
seems in a way to overcome the advantages of "floating balanced"
operation

--
Tony Sayer


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Old August 29th 07, 01:27 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Keith G"

"Phil Allison"

"Keith the Gormless Git "



Feeble....



** Oh - so you think you deserve something more suitable ?

Aussies usually call pathetic, brain dead ratbags like you "Pommie
pricks




Speaking for myself, the moment anyone mentions 'Aussies' I lose
interest....


".

But then, all pommies are pricks.



That's better but it's still feeble....




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Old August 29th 07, 01:28 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Keith the Giant Pommy Turd "


** Before anyone asks me about my trip to China



I doubt there's a single soul here believes you've been anywhere near
the place



** I never claimed to.



**DING!**

:-)




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Old August 29th 07, 01:32 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
"Keith G" wrote in message

"Keith G" wrote in message
news
No-one is more aware of the old 'you get what you pay
for adage' (or the various issues with cheep Chinky
stuff) than I am, but my curiosity/interest in a valve
microphone has had me punting a relatively paltry £132
(inc. postage) on this little lot:


The noise floor of the clari01 recording is dominated by 700 Hz and
its harmonics - perhaps a nearby PC cooling fan? Second major source
of noise is that of a person inhaling.

In terms of evaluating mics, I can't think of anything much worse than
a solo clairinet. Limited frequency range, limited dynamic range. Even
a set of keys jangling would give more information about response over
the critical upper half of the audio spectrum.




Who's *evaluating*? - Those clips were merely a quick and dirty
*demonstration* of summat that was pretty obvious....



Sorry to say, it's looking like *stinker* atm:


What the MP3 is a recording of, is not self-evident.

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Noisy%20Mic.mp3


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/SelfNoise.wmv


If the left channel is the preamp, terminated with a low-value
resistor, then the right channel may not be all that bad.




The left channel is switched off....



If the left channel is the ribbon mic, set up for equal acoustical
sensitivity, then the right channel is horrid.



The left channel is switched off....




The right channel has a nearly theoretical-looking -40 dB/decade
slope, and seems to be electronic in nature. Get rid of the tube!

I can only imagine what would happen if Keith tried one of the better
mics I routinely use - a Rode NT-1 or NT-5, for example. Of course
they are both infected with that deadly disease - "sand state"
electonics.



Always difficult to tell with Arny if he's responding to my posts for a
specific response from me or *broadcasting* to the group and simply
wants a round of applause?? (I'd cast Raymond Massey in the role,
costumed like a Southern carpetbagger in a wide-brimmed black hat and
silk waistcoat... :-)

Anyway 'Keith' already has 8 SS mics (3 pairs, two singles - variously
from Russia, China and the US) and wanted to try a 'tube'. Price was the
key factor (been getting away with it so far) and the 'makes' are all
Greek to me - if your advice about the Studio Projects 'make' had
arrived earlier (before I had bought the mic I did), I would have
probably followed it...



It would be good if some people would let a modicum of the scientific
method inform their investigations. One such informative scientific
tool is the known reference. Comparing eBay special ribbon to eBay
special cheap tube mulit-pattern mic via a well-known travesty of a
mic preamp (The Tube MP) may be fun, but it is frustrating if one
were to try to actually make sense of the proceedings.



Keep yer wig on Arny, the whole thing has been a fun (ie *non
scientific*) exercise - the new arrival got paired with the ribbon
simply because the ribbon was already set up (had been for a couple of
days). The clart got used because Swim volunteered a couple of clips and
its a whole lot easier to drag the clart to the mics than a grand piano.
Up 'til then it had been a series of *testing 1 2 3 4s* and who TF wants
to hear that - the glaring differences between the new mic and even just
the one of my existing mics didn't need much *measuring* or
*labwork*....

Arny, if your expectations of my messing about are going to be so
(unnecessarily) high, I would suggest you ignore them (if there are any
more)....



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Old August 29th 07, 01:39 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison
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"tony sayer"

But then, all pommies are pricks.


....Now come on Phil, "all" of them?....



** Fraid so.


Funny how I noticed an awful lot of Aussie accents the other night in
Earls court would you believe, or have they come here to see if its as
bad as you say!...



** The UK would be fine - if not for all the pommy pricks.

Guess Aussies flock to Earls Court, when in the UK, to keep away from too
many insufferable pommies.




....... Phil



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Old August 29th 07, 01:42 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Keith G
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"Keith G" wrote


Sorry to say, it's looking like *stinker* atm:


What the MP3 is a recording of, is not self-evident.

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Noisy%20Mic.mp3


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/SelfNoise.wmv


If the left channel is the preamp, terminated with a low-value
resistor, then the right channel may not be all that bad.




The left channel is switched off....



Oops! My mistake, I was referring to this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Noisy%20Mic.mp3



If the left channel is the ribbon mic, set up for equal acoustical
sensitivity, then the right channel is horrid.



The left channel is switched off....



Oops! My mistake, I was referring to this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Noisy%20Mic.mp3



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Old August 29th 07, 01:45 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison
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"tony sayer"


I can't think off hand of any mics that have the centre tap earthed
seems in a way to overcome the advantages of "floating balanced"
operation



** The Beyer M260 was one example - the old model with Tuchel connector.

And its a damn ribbon !!




...... Phil



 




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