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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 04:39:50 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:04:50 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...%20Smover.html

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

There is a hill here about a km long, and about 7% slope,
and when descending it one must use the brakes all the way down for
safety reasons.
But at the bottom the rims of my road bike have not heated, not even on
a hot day.


I live up a hill exactly like that. I have never stopped at the bottom
to check the temperature of the rims, but the brakes are always still
stopping me without problems.

I have 3 bikes, all with reliable old steel frames and they all weigh
about 11kg, but I'm 78Kg now, and I have no trouble riding 90k across
town and back....
And during this winter I only rode the bike which has ONE gear, a 44t
front cog, 18t rear cog,
giving a 68inch gear. I was using 72" for awhile, but that proved too
hard into headwinds when riding
up some hills. I am rebuilding one bike with new fangled index gearing
which will allow me the luxury of riding up some very steep hills here
again.

Patrick Turner.

I know about bikes like that. When I was at school I was a rower.
Every time we arrived at the boathouse, we would have to build a bike
for our coach to ride along the towpath. There was a huge pile of
scrap wheels and frames round the back, and in ten minutes we could
mix and match something rideable out of it all.

Mine isn't as bad as that. I am moving to 32 spokes per wheel with
D-rims,
the old 36 spokers with flat section Mavics had done around 50,000km and
began to crack
with fatigue....

I have worn out so much bicycle gear after pedling an estimated
110,000km...

I cycled much further than i drove last year.

The steepest and worst arsole of a hill here is 3km long, averaging 8%,
and I don't ride it much,Fitz's Hill,
its 60km away just to get to it. But there's another ******* of a hill
seen at

http://www.images.act.gov.au/duslibrary/imagesact.nsf/view/3300800B698256C94A256D8D001C1077/$File/005119.JPG

This is about 2km, and 7%, and a bit of traffic uses the narrow winding
road to the top.
There is a nice view over my town though.
I used to do this on 48 x 18, but 15 years have passed, and maybe I need
a 48 x 23.

As you loose teeth as you age, you must put them onto the rear
cluster....

I hope to be fit enough to do Fitz'z Challenge in November,
http://www.pedalpower.org.au/events/...IntContId=1207
this time its the 20th ride, and I was in the first couple a long time
ago.
Last time I did it pretty fast at 40, and rode the whole lot alone, and
not many were in it, but if I can finish it at all at 60
I will be pleased. Many people ride this now, so I should have
company.

Patrick Turner.



No thanks! That isn't for me. As I say, I'm not a cyclist, I ride a
bike. That means I get on it when I have somewhere I need to be. This
stuff is just road clutter and purpose-free greenhouse gas generation.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:09:24 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive
Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consultinghttp://www.pearce.uk.com

Those brakes aren't dodgy, Don, they're hyper-competent; what I forgot
to add is that they have a built-in modulator. They stop the one-
eighth of a ton of me and the bike and light touring gear from thirty
kph in 11 feet. I know, because I chewed up a pair of tyres while I
practiced that one to perfection. But I agree with you, for casual use
those roller brakes are overkill.


I'm a great fan of "keep it simple" for things like bikes.


Me too - thumb the starter, hook a gear, give it a *big handful* and
realise, moments later, the flickering in the corner of your left eye is
the *traffic* on the inside lane...

:-P

Here's No. 2 son on my bike - all ginger and cautious; it was his first
time back on one in a couple of years and was doubtless fearful of a
'low speed drop' !!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...GSX1400-01.wmv

Smooth Mover: bicycle with electronic gearchange and adaptive suspension
 

On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:12:51 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:09:24 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive
Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5 seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consultinghttp://www.pearce.uk.com

Those brakes aren't dodgy, Don, they're hyper-competent; what I forgot
to add is that they have a built-in modulator. They stop the one-
eighth of a ton of me and the bike and light touring gear from thirty
kph in 11 feet. I know, because I chewed up a pair of tyres while I
practiced that one to perfection. But I agree with you, for casual use
those roller brakes are overkill.


I'm a great fan of "keep it simple" for things like bikes.


Me too - thumb the starter, hook a gear, give it a *big handful* and
realise, moments later, the flickering in the corner of your left eye is
the *traffic* on the inside lane...

I can take my bike places you can't take yours ;-)

Here's No. 2 son on my bike - all ginger and cautious; it was his first
time back on one in a couple of years and was doubtless fearful of a
'low speed drop' !!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...GSX1400-01.wmv



That sort of riding looked like a guaranteed way to have a low speed
drop. I imagine he's a bit more fluent now?

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Smooth Mover: bicycle with electronic gearchange and adaptive suspension
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Fri, 7 Sep 2007 11:12:51 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:09:24 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive
Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar
to
that, but without the chain guard. Doesn't have all that dodgy
brake
stuff, either. A reasonably heavy stop (say from 20mph in 5
seconds)
only needs to dissipate 3kJ at 600W, which is no problem at all to
dissipate in a pair of wheel rims.

d

--
Pearce Consultinghttp://www.pearce.uk.com

Those brakes aren't dodgy, Don, they're hyper-competent; what I
forgot
to add is that they have a built-in modulator. They stop the one-
eighth of a ton of me and the bike and light touring gear from
thirty
kph in 11 feet. I know, because I chewed up a pair of tyres while I
practiced that one to perfection. But I agree with you, for casual
use
those roller brakes are overkill.


I'm a great fan of "keep it simple" for things like bikes.


Me too - thumb the starter, hook a gear, give it a *big handful* and
realise, moments later, the flickering in the corner of your left eye
is
the *traffic* on the inside lane...

I can take my bike places you can't take yours ;-)

Here's No. 2 son on my bike - all ginger and cautious; it was his
first
time back on one in a couple of years and was doubtless fearful of a
'low speed drop' !!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...GSX1400-01.wmv



That sort of riding looked like a guaranteed way to have a low speed
drop. I imagine he's a bit more fluent now?



Sure, of course - here's him back 2 minutes later:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...GSX1400-02.wmv


Those bikes are pretty heavy at 230 kg (dry weight - add 15 quid's worth
of petrol to that)...

http://www.motorbikestoday.com/revie...s/gsx-1400.htm


...and after a break of at least a couple of years, puddling one
backwards down a fairly sharp conctrete ramp isn't something you want to
try too quickly until you get familiar with it!

Smooth Mover: bicycle with electronic gearchange and adaptive suspension
 

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
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On Sep 6, 6:27 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%...

My point about arrogance while amusing is fully made. Thank you, Mr.
Jute. Mr. Krueger take note... this is how it is done. Not by tiresome
blathering as is your process.

"Tiresome blather" is a phrase we often hear from people who somehow oblige
themselves to listen to talks about something that is way over their head.

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In article ,
Patrick Turner wrote:

The steepest and worst arsole of a hill here is 3km long, averaging 8%,
and I don't ride it much,Fitz's Hill,
its 60km away just to get to it. But there's another ******* of a hill
seen at

http://www.images.act.gov.au/duslibr...00B698256C94A2
56D8D001C1077/$File/005119.JPG

This is about 2km, and 7%, and a bit of traffic uses the narrow winding
road to the top.
There is a nice view over my town though.

What's that town shown in the background? Is that your town or is it in
a different direction not shown in the photo?


Regards,

John Byrns

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Smooth Mover: bicycle with electronic gearchange and adaptivesuspension
 

John Byrns wrote:

In article ,
Patrick Turner wrote:

The steepest and worst arsole of a hill here is 3km long, averaging 8%,
and I don't ride it much,Fitz's Hill,
its 60km away just to get to it. But there's another ******* of a hill
seen at

http://www.images.act.gov.au/duslibr...00B698256C94A2
56D8D001C1077/$File/005119.JPG

This is about 2km, and 7%, and a bit of traffic uses the narrow winding
road to the top.
There is a nice view over my town though.

What's that town shown in the background? Is that your town or is it in
a different direction not shown in the photo?


The photo was taken from a plane or chopper, and the buildings "behind"
the mountain
with a tower on it is the main civic centre of Canberra. There are
several centres well
spread out.

Black mountain is only a few km from the centre of the "town" in the
backround.

http://www.totaltravel.com.au/travel...rracity/photos


I found a posted pdf with a brief map of the Canbera suburbs showing
blue lines for
cycle paths.

http://www.tams.act.gov.au/__data/as...nd_content.pdf

I live in Watson, about 7km north from where it says CITY just north of
the lake.

The length of blue line bike paths totals hundreds of km, so you can
always do a big different loop
each time you go for a ride.

Once you get away from city areas the traffic on weekdays is negligible
because most people
are at work, unemployement is at record lows...

The map doesn't show several other newer lakes besides the the main old
central lake.
So you can cycle around for ages and get lost...

If I ride that map from Watson to maximum north, then maximum south and
back home
along whatever is the shortest route its well over 100km, and takes me
about 5 hours,
non stop, and maybe I use about 3,000 calories....

Patrick Turner.







Regards,

John Byrns

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On Fri, 07 Sep 2007 13:26:20 GMT, Patrick Turner
wrote:

I live in Watson, about 7km north from where it says CITY just north of
the lake.

The length of blue line bike paths totals hundreds of km, so you can
always do a big different loop
each time you go for a ride.

Once you get away from city areas the traffic on weekdays is negligible
because most people
are at work, unemployement is at record lows...

The map doesn't show several other newer lakes besides the the main old
central lake.
So you can cycle around for ages and get lost...

If I ride that map from Watson to maximum north, then maximum south and
back home
along whatever is the shortest route its well over 100km, and takes me
about 5 hours,
non stop, and maybe I use about 3,000 calories....

Patrick Turner.


I think I would use my bike more there. Here in London we are getting
a day of relative freedom - although it is necessary to register for
it.

http://www.londonfreewheel.com/

d
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On Sep 6, 8:20 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 20:09:24 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:



On Sep 6, 7:27 pm, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 16:27:41 -0700, Andre Jute
wrote:

Techieporn for you.

My Trek Navigator L700 "Smover"
Bicycle with Automatic Gearchange and Electronic Adaptive Suspension
delivered by Shimano Di2 Cyber Nexus Groupset

a photo essay by André Jute

http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...igator%20L700%....

My Trek is the 3400 - nice sensible road bike. Looks very similar to
that, but without the chain guard.

I got my bike one January morning when I was feeling decidedly
post-chrismas and was on my way to the local gym to enrol. I walked
past the bike shop where a sale was on, and thought "hang on, this is
a much better idea than a stupid gym". So I walked in and had a chat
with the chap about what kind of uses I would be putting the bike to
around London - ending up with this one, and it has been perfect.

I was in a bike shop the other day, listening to the owner tell
another customer about the gyms, plural, he attends. I walked out
without buying anything and told my driver to take me to a real bike
shop, where the accents are less poncey but at least the management
rides the bikes they sell.

I rode it straight home up the hill to Hampstead, and arrive seeing
spots, and with tunnel vision. I've ridden it pretty much daily since
- always because I need to get somewhere, and I can now negotiate all
of Hampstead's hills without even raising a sweat.

No man, the idea is to raise a sweat (despite what I shall shortly
write in another post to twit Patrick for bragging intolerably about
his 100 mile rides). Though I must say I despise those fellows who
make their sweat smell worse than it already does by straining it
through Lycra. Cultured cyclists wear seersucker shirts...

d

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I thought your description of buying your bike and riding it home the
most humane thing you ever said, Don. In future I might even cut you
some slack on electronics now I have discovered a heart beats in there
somewhere.

Andre Jute
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On Sep 7, 8:02 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

"Tiresome blather" is a phrase we often hear from people who somehow oblige
themselves to listen to talks about something that is way over their head.

Far more likely to be beneath their dignity. Putting on airs without
sufficient cleverness is your speciality. Lots of data passes through,
very little content is included other than tree-tops posturing. Oh,
since when have you adopted the Royal We?

You do understand that your symbiosis with the commander is based on
this behavior?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
Kutztown Space 338