Hmmm!
 

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi...

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

Isn't "HighEnd Speaker Cable" synonymous with "Scam"?

No doubt right down your alley, Iain.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

Since each cable has two screens, and which screen to use is not stated, the
instructions are gibberish. So is the engineering.

He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

No doubt based on a sighted evalution.

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Hey, people are also buying small quantities of tubed equipment. Go figure!

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi...
I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain



Hi Iain,

Interesting. Max Townsend used to market speaker cable using several
paralleled co-axial cables, I believe it was a bit unwieldy when trying to
connect, probably not much harder than my Cogan Hall copper pipe 'cables'
;~)

Mike

Hmmm!
 

"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi...
I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain



Hi Iain,

Interesting. Max Townsend used to market speaker cable using several
paralleled co-axial cables, I believe it was a bit unwieldy when trying to
connect, probably not much harder than my Cogan Hall copper pipe 'cables'
;~)

Hello Mike. Nice to har from you:-)
I am sure this is not an original idea. I take no sides in the cable debate
whatsoever. Let people buy what makes them happy.

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi...

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

Isn't "HighEnd Speaker Cable" synonymous with "Scam"?

No doubt right down your alley, Iain.

I think, Arny, the expression is right "up" your alley:-)

He asked if anyone at the workshop in which I
have a share would be willing to make this cable for
him. One chap has agreed. The initial order is for
600 metres in 3 metre lengths.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

Since each cable has two screens, and which screen to use is not stated,

No. Each inner has one screen. The term he used
was "cross connected" I think that is clear enough.

the instructions are gibberish.
The instructions are clear

So is the engineering.
Did I say otherwise?

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Hey, people are also buying small quantities of tubed equipment. Go
figure!

The initial order is for 600metres. Go count:-)

Iain

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches wrote:
I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

--
Eiron.

Hmmm!
 

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating scams
like that.

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating scams
like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating scams
like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

I've turned down more lucrative deals on the same grounds.

As far as fat pensioner's legs go, I'm not a pensioner, and my legs are
pretty trim.

Externalizing again, Iain?

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger"
"Iain Cherchus ****ing Criminal "


Isn't "HighEnd Speaker Cable" synonymous with "Scam"?

No doubt right down your alley, Iain.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

Since each cable has two screens, and which screen to use is not stated,
the instructions are gibberish. So is the engineering.


** What Cherchus wrote is gibberish - as usual.

The allusion to twin ( ie figure 8 ) shielded audio cable - as used for
RCA leads.

NOT twin shielded RF co-ax.




........ Phil

Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR
 

"Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR "


Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)


** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends a para
with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet another

TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION




....... Phil

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches Lying Criminal "

The initial order is for 600metres. Go count:-)


** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends a para
with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet another

TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION





....... Phil

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

Graham

Hmmm!
 

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.

Hmmm!
 

I think this may be the design he was talking about.

http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/ubyte2e.html


Dezza.

Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR
 

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
:
:
: "Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR "
:
:
: Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
: If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up
cables,
: you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners'
legs under
: the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)
:
:
: ** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends
a para
: with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet
another
:
: TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION
:
:
:
:
: ...... Phil
:
Come on Philthy, you dream of being able to make a $100/hr.
The green eyed jealously monster is coming out in you again.

TT

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..
:
: "Eeyore" wrote in
message
: ...
:
:
: Iain Churches wrote:
:
: I talked on the phone with a chap today who
: told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
: loudspeaker cable.
:
: It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
: two separate shields. He had then connected
: the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
: wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
: of the right wire.
:
: What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?
:
: A way to separate fools from money.
:
I'm just annoyed that I can't do something like this!
:-( Something totally legal (though un-ethical) and such
an easy way to make money. Sighhhhh......................

Hey, I know, what about I construct a computer program for
sale over the internet? DST - Double Sighted Test. I could
have lots of flashing lights, sounds that go "Bing" and it
allows the user to predetermine the desired outcome. Or
better still, a scanner program that analyses the colour and
thickness of cables and gives a printout of their abilities
in a sighted test so you don't even have to hook them up if
you don't want?

I could be onto somethin' eh Arny?

Cheers TT

Hmmm!
 

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

I have no idea. It seems, like Eiron said, that this
is nothing new, but like most things, gas been tried
before. I understand thereare also companies in
Italy who make speaker cable exactly in this way.

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.
He made them initially for his own use.

Hmmm!
 

"TT" wrote in message
...

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
:
:
: "Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR "
:
:
: Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
: If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up
cables,
: you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners'
legs under
: the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)
:
:
: ** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends
a para
: with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet
another
:
: TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION
:
:
:
:
: ...... Phil
:
Come on Philthy, you dream of being able to make a $100/hr.
The green eyed jealously monster is coming out in you again.

TT



Morning TT.

We need to be a little careful here in currency conversion. I was
originally workingin Euros, a currency considerably stronger
than the USD.

But for Arny's benefit I switched to USD on a 1:1 rate. I did
this for two reasons. 1) I wondered if Arny would be familiar
with the Euro (and aware of its value) and 2) becase, according
to a post (by Peter W, IIRC) electronic assembly work is poorly
paid in the US. But, the real rate would have been USD 138,65
per hr.

In Phil's case, it becomes AUD 165.90 (Probably a great deal
less than he earns at the moment:-)

Best regards
Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

I have no idea. It seems, like Eiron said, that this
is nothing new, but like most things, gas been tried
before. I understand thereare also companies in
Italy who make speaker cable exactly in this way.

Iain
Sorry. Early morning typo (yet again) for "gas" read
"has"

Hmmm!
 

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever
unless the point is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something
new. But he certainly does seem to have found
a market niche.

Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

I've turned down more lucrative deals on the same grounds.

Yes, yes. Arny. Of *course* you have:-))

Iain Cherchus= CRIMINAL LIAR
 

"Iain Cherchus CRIMINAL LIAR "


Yes, yes. Arny. Of *course* you have:-))



** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends a para
with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet another

TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION !!!




....... Phil

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

I have no idea. It seems, like Eiron said, that this
is nothing new, but like most things, gas been tried
before. I understand thereare also companies in
Italy who make speaker cable exactly in this way.

But why ?

Screened cable is irrelevent to such a connection.

Graham

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...
:
: "TT" wrote in message
: ...
:
: "Phil Allison" wrote in message
: ...
: :
: :
: : "Iain Cherchus = Total LIAR "
: :
: :
: : Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on
us.
: : If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up
: cables,
: : you would not be able to get you fat little
pensioners'
: legs under
: : the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)
: :
: :
: : ** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath
ends
: a para
: : with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted
yet
: another
: :
: : TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION
: :
: :
: :
: :
: : ...... Phil
: :
: Come on Philthy, you dream of being able to make a
$100/hr.
: The green eyed jealously monster is coming out in you
again.
:
: TT
:
:
:
: Morning TT.
:
: We need to be a little careful here in currency
conversion. I was
: originally workingin Euros, a currency considerably
stronger
: than the USD.
:
: But for Arny's benefit I switched to USD on a 1:1 rate. I
did
: this for two reasons. 1) I wondered if Arny would be
familiar
: with the Euro (and aware of its value) and 2) becase,
according
: to a post (by Peter W, IIRC) electronic assembly work is
poorly
: paid in the US. But, the real rate would have been USD
138,65
: per hr.
:
: In Phil's case, it becomes AUD 165.90 (Probably a great
deal
: less than he earns at the moment:-)

..... per week! ;-)
:
: Best regards
: Iain
:

USD, Aust.D, Can.D or even HKD it is *STILL* more than
Philthy can earn in an hour! The closest he could get is
probably 100 IDR/hr as a speed bump in the local shopping
mall :-))

BTW IDR Indonesian Rupiah 7,781 = A$1.00

Cheers Terry :-))

Iain Cherchus= CRIMINAL LIAR
 

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...
:
: "Iain Cherchus CRIMINAL LIAR "
:
:
: Yes, yes. Arny. Of *course* you have:-))
:
:
:
: ** Whenever the smirking Cherchus criminal psychopath ends
a para
: with a smiley - it means the cretin has just posted yet
another
:
: TOTAL BLOODY FABRICATION !!!
:
:
:
:
: ...... Phil
:
You're repeating yourself again! Tsk! Tsk! Letting our
psychosis show again are we? Mmmm.....? (To be read in a
very condescending tone)

TT

Hmmm!
 

In article i, Iain
Churches wrote:

"Eiron" wrote in message
...

It's a very old idea and still as pointless as ever unless the point
is to fleece audiophools.

Yes. I had a feeling he had not invented something new. But he
certainly does seem to have found a market niche.

It is not clear to me if he has 'invented' anything, or why the arrangement
would be of any interest or relevance - apart perhaps to those who have an
interest in knotwork or embroidery. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

But for Arny's benefit I switched to USD on a 1:1 rate. I did
this for two reasons. 1) I wondered if Arny would be familiar
with the Euro (and aware of its value) and 2) becase, according
to a post (by Peter W, IIRC) electronic assembly work is poorly
paid in the US. But, the real rate would have been USD 138,65
per hr.

So who does electronic assembly?

Certainly, not I!

Hmmm!
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
. ..

"Eeyore" wrote in message
...


Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.

He made them initially for his own use.

From parts that cost someone money.

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart
from not going to heaven, which is actually far more
important than you seem to have realised, you get a
reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.

But I think you have made this up. You need to think through
the problem of neat terminations if you want to make more
than the minimum wage.

Ian

Hmmm!
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart from not going
to heaven, which is actually far more important than you seem to have
realised, you get a reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.


My passage to heaven is assured. I am in no way involved
in this cable production. I just put a man who wanted
something done in touch with people who could do it.
I make music, which is much more fun. There is a
place for me in the big recording studio in the sky.


You need to think through the problem of neat terminations
if you want to make more than the minimum wage.

I think he has a pre-production cable on which he has solved the
problems of termination cosmetics.

Iain

Hmmm!
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Iain Churches wrote

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire. He made a cable like this for
both channels, and inserted it onto a 12mm
armoured hose-pipe, with Raychem 15mm shrink
sleeving at each end and "gold" terminals bought
from a car audio shop. He added, "I have found
there are great sonic advantages in this method"

There followed a long silence, and I, not knowing
quite what to say, replied: "Hmm! Interesting!
You might have something there. You
should make a quantity. It might sell well".

He replied: "I have. It does. At Euro 25 a metre!"

Iain

Scamming is a commitment you may both regret. Quite apart from not going
to heaven, which is actually far more important than you seem to have
realised, you get a reputation for being a ****. There's no going back.


Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their services.
Does that make them ****s?

Hmmm!
 

In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get a
decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a large(ish)
job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid an hour for
one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with his toolkit which
included crimping tools for just about any connector you could name.

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

"Arny Krueger" wrote in message
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"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

I talked on the phone with a chap today who
told me he had a very good idea for a high-end
loudspeaker cable.

It was based upon some thick twin co-axial with
two separate shields. He had then connected
the screen of the left wire to the inner of the right
wire, and the inner of the left wire to the screen
of the right wire.

What exactly did he imagine this achieved ?

A way to separate fools from money.
He made them initially for his own use.



Iain,

Bit OT but I thought you might like to see this. Scamming musos just isn't
on, I'm glad he's been caught:

http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-b...,2974132.story

Regards,

Mike

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...

Hi Iain, would you please email me a valid address? I have sent you a
couple of emails and they have all bounced.

Cheers Terry

Hmmm!
 

Iain Churches said:

Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large
enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the
cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their
services.
Does that make them ****s?

Will they? Not with their brand names on.

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers
are dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s.
It's business and I quite like that. Anyway, apart from
their dubious performance benefits, their cables generally
do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and often use
quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

OTOH, if Mr Van Damme were to come to an audio newsgroup and
gloat about selling rubbish, that would make him a ****.

Three reasons IMO. First because it would be obviously,
foolishly, counter-productive; in wickyspeak, apparently,
"doing a Ratner":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doing_a_Ratner

Attached to this is the expectation that others in his peer
group would respond positively.

Second because as a celebration of the ignorance of others
it appears smug and conceited.

Third because I don't believe people are easily enough
fooled in large enough numbers for a scam to be a good bet
in most cases. Honest business is a much better bet for
clean money. I'm a communist, so I'm fervent in my faith in
market economics.

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.

Ian

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:
Some of us have these ethics thingies that keep us from perpetrating
scams like that.

Come on Arny. Don't come over all sanctimonious on us.
If someone offered you USD100 an hr for making up cables,
you would not be able to get you fat little pensioners' legs under
the bench fast enough! And you know it:-)

Why would anyone pay that amount for a wireman's services? You can get a
decent pro service for much less. I recently needed one for a large(ish)
job which would take me too long on my own and paid 25 quid an hour for
one - two days worth of work. I was well impressed with his toolkit which
included crimping tools for just about any connector you could name.


People seem to work for a lot less in the UK, especially
for "cash in hand" jobs with no receipt and no VAT.

Hmmm!
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Iain Churches said:

Hmm. Just hd a thought. If the quantities become large enough,
he could get Tasker, or Van Damme, or Nokia to make the cables.
They will do so happily, and charge him for their services.
Does that make them ****s?

Will they? Not with their brand names on.

Yes indeed. In a market driven economy, a manufacturer
will make you whatever you order, if the quantity is sufficient.

Plenty people would say that most "high-end" cable producers are
dishonest, but in my view it doesn't make them ****s. It's business and I
quite like that. Anyway, apart from their dubious performance benefits,
their cables generally do look and feel like serious pieces of kit and
often use quite exotic materials and quality manufacturing.

IMO manufacturing a "high-end" cable is not dishonest. But making false
claims for it certainly is. That is the distinction.

OTOH, if Mr Van Damme were to come to an audio newsgroup and gloat about
selling rubbish, that would make him a ****.

Has anyone gloated about selling rubbish? I think you are
getting a little over-excited here. Have you noticed by the way
the marked absence of audio designers and manufacturers from
groups like this one. Have you wondered why they never bother
to post here?

I still don't believe the story. He's pulling your leg.


We shall see. It is of no real consequence to me either way.
He is supposed to bring his pre-prod cable the
people concerned to have a look at, sometime next week.
If he doesn't show up, then your fears may be founded.

Iain