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We had an amp shootout in the London Audiocircle tonight and had a
chance to hear 5 chinese amps.

A pair of Bez T3B 300b SETs sounded the best of the lot, and by some
margin.

What speakers did you use in the comparison?

Steve
Don't know - two way box on stilts. Dynaudio clone probably. Seemed to
do the job well.


I would be interested also to know what kind of music was auditioned.
SET makes an excellent job of a small range of material, which dealers
always use in demos: vocal and piano, string quartet etc. Listen to
Duke Ellington or Mike Westbrook and you will probably be *very*
disappointed.

Iain

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We had an amp shootout in the London Audiocircle
tonight and had a chance to hear 5 chinese amps.

A pair of Bez T3B 300b SETs sounded the best of the
lot, and by some margin.

What speakers did you use in the comparison?

Steve
Don't know - two way box on stilts. Dynaudio clone
probably. Seemed to do the job well.


I would be interested also to know what kind of music was
auditioned. SET makes an excellent job of a small range
of material, which dealers always use in demos: vocal and
piano, string quartet etc. Listen to Duke Ellington or
Mike Westbrook and you will probably be *very*
disappointed.

Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and found exactly what you
describe.

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We had an amp shootout in the London Audiocircle
tonight and had a chance to hear 5 chinese amps.

A pair of Bez T3B 300b SETs sounded the best of the
lot, and by some margin.

What speakers did you use in the comparison?

Steve
Don't know - two way box on stilts. Dynaudio clone
probably. Seemed to do the job well.


I would be interested also to know what kind of music was
auditioned. SET makes an excellent job of a small range
of material, which dealers always use in demos: vocal and
piano, string quartet etc. Listen to Duke Ellington or
Mike Westbrook and you will probably be *very*
disappointed.

Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and found exactly
what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

:-)

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On Sep 23, 8:35?pm, "Steve"
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We had an amp shootout in the London Audiocircle
tonight and had a chance to hear 5 chinese amps.

A pair of Bez T3B 300b SETs sounded the best of the
lot, and by some margin.

What speakers did you use in the comparison?

Steve
Don't know - two way box on stilts. Dynaudio clone
probably. Seemed to do the job well.


I would be interested also to know what kind of music
was auditioned. SET makes an excellent job of a small
range of material, which dealers always use in demos:
vocal and piano, string quartet etc. Listen to Duke
Ellington or Mike Westbrook and you will probably be
*very* disappointed.

Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a pair of ears and an
idea of what large-format music sounds like would ever buy one. Most of the
SETsters were playing solo works.

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a pair of ears
and an idea of what large-format music sounds like would ever buy one.
Most of the SETsters were playing solo works.


The idea that a SET amp can't play 'complex' music is too ridiculous for
words - name the piece and I'll do a mic recording of it (or as close as
I can get) from my one of my SETs!

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"Arny Krueger" wrote


Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a pair of ears and
an idea of what large-format music sounds like would ever buy one. Most
of the SETsters were playing solo works.


The idea that a SET amp can't play 'complex' music is too ridiculous for
words - name the piece and I'll do a mic recording of it (or as close as I
can get) from my one of my SETs!

Sadly Keith, that seems to be *exactly* the situation.
You have only to look at the distortion spectrum of a SET
amp to see why. There are copious odd harmonics, which sound awful.

The even H's 2,4,6,8 are OK, as they are octaves of the fundamental.
But the 3H is a fifth. You might think that would sound OK too but
what about chords like the 13th that do not contain a fifth? You might
have a saxophone section playing a thirteenth chord, in which you can
hear one 3rd harmonic for each of the five saxophones, so that's another
13th chord (almost) a fifth above the original. 'Orrible. just 'orrible.

But for small chamber ensembles, or voice and piano, they do sound
very pleasing indeed.

Iain

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"Arny Krueger" wrote


Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a pair of
ears and an idea of what large-format music sounds like would ever
buy one. Most of the SETsters were playing solo works.


The idea that a SET amp can't play 'complex' music is too ridiculous
for words - name the piece and I'll do a mic recording of it (or as
close as I can get) from my one of my SETs!

Sadly Keith, that seems to be *exactly* the situation.
You have only to look at the distortion spectrum of a SET
amp to see why. There are copious odd harmonics, which sound awful.

The even H's 2,4,6,8 are OK, as they are octaves of the fundamental.
But the 3H is a fifth. You might think that would sound OK too but
what about chords like the 13th that do not contain a fifth? You
might
have a saxophone section playing a thirteenth chord, in which you can
hear one 3rd harmonic for each of the five saxophones, so that's
another
13th chord (almost) a fifth above the original. 'Orrible. just
'orrible.

But for small chamber ensembles, or voice and piano, they do sound
very pleasing indeed.


Iain, believe me, if the words 'awful' or ''orrible' applied to either
of my SETs they would be in the river by now!

I'm surprised to hear all the OH talk as I was/am under the impression
that triodes were good at EHs but, whatever, an harmonic has to be heard
at intrusive levels to be in any way significant, does it not?

Nor, I might add, is my listening restricted to Maddy Prior and/or
pennywhistle players - all my *orchestral* vinyl is (mostly) played via
a SET as playing it on SS is effectively the same as listening to it
from the next room, behind a closed door....

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"Arny Krueger" wrote


Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a
pair of ears and an idea of what large-format music
sounds like would ever buy one. Most of the SETsters
were playing solo works.


The idea that a SET amp can't play 'complex' music is too
ridiculous for words - name the piece and I'll do a mic
recording of it (or as close as I can get) from my one of
my SETs!

I never said that SET amps can't play complex music. What I said is that IME
SET amps don't do it well.

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"Keith G" wrote in message

"Arny Krueger" wrote


Good point. I listened to a ton of SETs at HE2005 and
found exactly what you describe.


*Ton* of SETs you say...??

Wot? - Are they becoming *popular* or summat??

People trying to sell them were plentiful. Nobody with a
pair of ears and an idea of what large-format music
sounds like would ever buy one. Most of the SETsters
were playing solo works.


The idea that a SET amp can't play 'complex' music is too
ridiculous for words - name the piece and I'll do a mic
recording of it (or as close as I can get) from my one of
my SETs!

I never said that SET amps can't play complex music. What I said is
that IME SET amps don't do it well.


OK, that's fine - I disagree, but there ya go....