A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old. (Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...

On 7 Nov, 16:37, "Keith G" wrote:
A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old. (Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...

I work and earn a living (just) in the electronics retail business and
have always wondered why our industry is always expected to give
discounts on our products and services when people don't ask for a
better (for them) price when they visit the supermarket and trundle
out the door with £100's worth of shopping.Or ask there solicitor for
a discount when moving house. We work on relatively low margins
compared to say the furniture business;not surprising that a sofa can
drop from £1200 down to £399 and still make a good margin! I wish
people would wake up and smell the coffee as before long there will be
no high street retailers of anything except charity shops and there
will be no chance of trying (hearing) anything before you buy as there
will be nowhere but the internet to buy the latest 5star reviewed bit
of kit.Thankfully there are still purchasers that DO appreciate the
advice and service afforded by a quality high street retailer and are
prepared to shun the internet in favour of better back-up and peace of
mind.

Borosteve.

"borosteve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 7 Nov, 16:37, "Keith G" wrote:
A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old.
(Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My
neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as
little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working
there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...

I work and earn a living (just) in the electronics retail business and
have always wondered why our industry is always expected to give
discounts on our products and services when people don't ask for a
better (for them) price when they visit the supermarket and trundle
out the door with £100's worth of shopping.Or ask there solicitor for
a discount when moving house. We work on relatively low margins
compared to say the furniture business;not surprising that a sofa can
drop from £1200 down to £399 and still make a good margin! I wish
people would wake up and smell the coffee as before long there will be
no high street retailers of anything except charity shops and there
will be no chance of trying (hearing) anything before you buy as there
will be nowhere but the internet to buy the latest 5star reviewed bit
of kit.Thankfully there are still purchasers that DO appreciate the
advice and service afforded by a quality high street retailer and are
prepared to shun the internet in favour of better back-up and peace of
mind.


Sorry Borosteve, I think I see things a little differently from my side
of the counter....

No-one (much) is under any illusions about the profits any well-run
retail shop can make if it isn't trying to peddle crap (or even if it is
peddling crap in the right manner). As the same (VCR) next door
neighbour said less than an hour ago 'shopkeepers used to be in it for a
living and now they're in it to get rich'! Profit is the name of the
game and no self-respecting shopkeeper in this neck of the woods has a
house worth less than 1.5 million - it's standard issue!

I'm sure your place is *entirely* different, but my experience of many
shops is that they aren't really able to offer any real advice, service
depends on how late the sales assistant got in the night before and
'backup' as you call it invariably means being told to contact the UK
representatives of the manufacturers direct when summat goes tits-up in
the warranty period. *Good* shops do exist (even here) that do seem to
be able to offer a useful blend of price and service and it's always a
pleasure to put a bit of work their way, but I think a lot of people
will say that shopping is largely an *unlovely* experience these days!

No-one tries to haggle with supermarkets and garages because the stuff's
already too cheap (witness the lard so many people are hauling around
these days) in the first instance and because they can't in the second!

Now, having mentioned the neighbour - apparently the 'revised price' for
the VCR repair was 39 quid (not 29) and that almost certainly subject to
VAT, so the original 'estimate' of 50 quid was about right. Still a
crock, in my book...

Personal anecdote:

I bought summat (can't remember what) from the *other* hifi shop (an ex
employee of the first shop and who hates the family who own/run the
first shop) and for some reason looked it up on the website when I got
back. I was a bit surprised to find it was exactly 10 quid cheaper! I
contacted the shop owner (know him very well) and said WTF? and was
regaled (yet again) with the 'Internet prices are cheaper blah blah
blah.. I said 'so I've paid 10 quid for the privilege of carrying the
item home and saving you having to ship it? (It's just the one shop -
the item would have been carried out of the same door no matter what!) I
said 'fine but you know what I'll do (or not do) in the future, don't
you?' and said cheerio. About an hour later he phoned up to tell me he'd
refunded the ten quid (credit card) and had decided not to quibble when
people quoted prices from his website in the future...!!

The same shop had (probably still has) - checks...

Yep:

http://www.audiovision.co.uk/#7114X0

an Infocus 72 DLP Digital PJ advertised for £895. Swim bought hers for
400 odd quid from (struggles, gives up - can't remember) OK, asks son
and he says (he remembers this stuff) it was £495 from:

http://www.creative-audio.co.uk/

But is discontinued and has been cheaper since!

Now Boro, me auld china, that's 400 hundred quid difference on one
gadget - how much ****ing *support* do you think the local shops should
get?

In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old. (Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...




Won't be a problem before long this "high street rip off" as they'll be
no one left doing servicing work anyway!.

Maybe you oughta to give us a business plan on how to run a repair bizz
in the 21st century Keith?.

Just what would you need to charge to cover ALL the costs
involved?......

--
Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old.
(Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My
neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as
little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working
there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...




Won't be a problem before long this "high street rip off" as they'll
be
no one left doing servicing work anyway!.

Maybe you oughta to give us a business plan on how to run a repair
bizz
in the 21st century Keith?.

Just what would you need to charge to cover ALL the costs
involved?......


'Give' is the operative word here - spoken like a Cambridgeshire
shopkeeper, Tony....


OK, *FOC* (as ever) I'll *give* you some key phrases to get you started:

'It'll need a new motor'....

'The clutch will have to be replaced'...

'The chimney needs repointing'...

'It's obsolete and you can't get the parts any more'...


Asitappens, 'repair' and servicing charges appear to an almost universal
50-55 quid per hour plus parts (necessary or not) - whether or not
you'll make a living at it depends how much you are prepared to scam
your punters, from what I can see of it...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"borosteve" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 7 Nov, 16:37, "Keith G" wrote:
A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the
chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old.
(Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My
neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as
little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given
him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant
sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes
from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working
there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we
don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...

I work and earn a living (just) in the electronics retail business and
have always wondered why our industry is always expected to give
discounts on our products and services when people don't ask for a
better (for them) price when they visit the supermarket and trundle
out the door with £100's worth of shopping.Or ask there solicitor for
a discount when moving house. We work on relatively low margins
compared to say the furniture business;not surprising that a sofa can
drop from £1200 down to £399 and still make a good margin! I wish
people would wake up and smell the coffee as before long there will be
no high street retailers of anything except charity shops and there
will be no chance of trying (hearing) anything before you buy as there
will be nowhere but the internet to buy the latest 5star reviewed bit
of kit.Thankfully there are still purchasers that DO appreciate the
advice and service afforded by a quality high street retailer and are
prepared to shun the internet in favour of better back-up and peace of
mind.


Sorry Borosteve, I think I see things a little differently from my
side of the counter....

No-one (much) is under any illusions about the profits any well-run
retail shop can make if it isn't trying to peddle crap (or even if it
is peddling crap in the right manner). As the same (VCR) next door
neighbour said less than an hour ago 'shopkeepers used to be in it for
a living and now they're in it to get rich'! Profit is the name of the
game and no self-respecting shopkeeper in this neck of the woods has a
house worth less than 1.5 million - it's standard issue!

I'm sure your place is *entirely* different, but my experience of many
shops is that they aren't really able to offer any real advice,
service depends on how late the sales assistant got in the night
before and 'backup' as you call it invariably means being told to
contact the UK representatives of the manufacturers direct when summat
goes tits-up in the warranty period. *Good* shops do exist (even here)
that do seem to be able to offer a useful blend of price and service
and it's always a pleasure to put a bit of work their way, but I think
a lot of people will say that shopping is largely an *unlovely*
experience these days!

No-one tries to haggle with supermarkets and garages because the
stuff's already too cheap (witness the lard so many people are hauling
around these days) in the first instance and because they can't in the
second!

Now, having mentioned the neighbour - apparently the 'revised price'
for the VCR repair was 39 quid (not 29) and that almost certainly
subject to VAT, so the original 'estimate' of 50 quid was about right.
Still a crock, in my book...

Personal anecdote:

I bought summat (can't remember what) from the *other* hifi shop (an
ex employee of the first shop and who hates the family who own/run the
first shop) and for some reason looked it up on the website when I got
back. I was a bit surprised to find it was exactly 10 quid cheaper! I
contacted the shop owner (know him very well) and said WTF? and was
regaled (yet again) with the 'Internet prices are cheaper blah blah
blah.. I said 'so I've paid 10 quid for the privilege of carrying the
item home and saving you having to ship it? (It's just the one shop -
the item would have been carried out of the same door no matter what!)
I said 'fine but you know what I'll do (or not do) in the future,
don't you?' and said cheerio. About an hour later he phoned up to tell
me he'd refunded the ten quid (credit card) and had decided not to
quibble when people quoted prices from his website in the future...!!

The same shop had (probably still has) - checks...

Yep:

http://www.audiovision.co.uk/#7114X0

an Infocus 72 DLP Digital PJ advertised for £895. Swim bought hers for
400 odd quid from (struggles, gives up - can't remember) OK, asks son
and he says (he remembers this stuff) it was £495 from:


Bugger. You'll have to follow Projectors / Infocus / IN72...

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
No-one tries to haggle with supermarkets and garages because the stuff's
already too cheap (witness the lard so many people are hauling around
these days) in the first instance and because they can't in the second!

Some goods in supermarkets are 'cheap' - some are anything but. They rely
on impulse 'while we're here' purchases for much of their profits. And of
course screwing their suppliers down to a minimum which smaller retailers
just can't do.

--
*Why is the word abbreviation so long? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Keith G wrote:

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
In article , Keith G
scribeth thus

[snip]

Maybe you oughta to give us a business plan on how to run a repair
bizz
in the 21st century Keith?.

Just what would you need to charge to cover ALL the costs
involved?......

More or less what I asked Keithie earlier with no reply.


'Give' is the operative word here - spoken like a Cambridgeshire
shopkeeper, Tony....


OK, *FOC* (as ever) I'll *give* you some key phrases to get you started:

'It'll need a new motor'....

'The clutch will have to be replaced'...

'The chimney needs repointing'...

'It's obsolete and you can't get the parts any more'...


Asitappens, 'repair' and servicing charges appear to an almost universal
50-55 quid per hour plus parts (necessary or not) - whether or not
you'll make a living at it depends how much you are prepared to scam
your punters, from what I can see of it...

If you went back into business how much would you expect to earn an hour?

Look around you at house prices etc before giving a figure 20 years out of
date.

--
*When blondes have more fun, do they know it?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 8 Nov, 13:10, "Keith G" wrote:
"borosteve" wrote in message

ups.com...
On 7 Nov, 16:37, "Keith G" wrote:





A little while ago I bumped into my neighbour again and had the chance
to briefly confirm a few points in the VCR repair saga...

Apparently the VCR was/is a Panasonic and is about 3 years old.
(Fekkin'
good start, but let's not get bogged down at this stage...) My
neighbour
has no special attachment to it and simply wanted it fixed for as
little
as possible (naturally). He had had no idea VCRs were so cheap and he
thinks the shop should have (or could have) mentioned it and given him
the option of getting a cheaper replacement, even if it meant sourcing
it elsewhere. He thinks the hifi shop owners are shysters (not new,
apparently!) and only goes there out of habit and for obvious
convenience.

It's all about location and the lack of real competition and having
decades (whole century really) of thickies bussing into town to trade
their turnip money for shiny things. Of course it can't last forever,
what with the 'Web' an' all, but it's pretty obvious to me these ole
boys plan to go down with all credit card readers *blazing*!!

(It's not just the hifi shop - having bought no less than 3 bikes from
the local 'bike shop this year and despite Tone the Clone working
there,
I think they are pretty much the same - *no discount, because we don't
have to* kinda thing....!)

Maybe it's me...

Maybe it's *that* time of the year again...

I work and earn a living (just) in the electronics retail business and
have always wondered why our industry is always expected to give
discounts on our products and services when people don't ask for a
better (for them) price when they visit the supermarket and trundle
out the door with £100's worth of shopping.Or ask there solicitor for
a discount when moving house. We work on relatively low margins
compared to say the furniture business;not surprising that a sofa can
drop from £1200 down to £399 and still make a good margin! I wish
people would wake up and smell the coffee as before long there will be
no high street retailers of anything except charity shops and there
will be no chance of trying (hearing) anything before you buy as there
will be nowhere but the internet to buy the latest 5star reviewed bit
of kit.Thankfully there are still purchasers that DO appreciate the
advice and service afforded by a quality high street retailer and are
prepared to shun the internet in favour of better back-up and peace of
mind.

Sorry Borosteve, I think I see things a little differently from my side
of the counter....

No-one (much) is under any illusions about the profits any well-run
retail shop can make if it isn't trying to peddle crap (or even if it is
peddling crap in the right manner). As the same (VCR) next door
neighbour said less than an hour ago 'shopkeepers used to be in it for a
living and now they're in it to get rich'! Profit is the name of the
game and no self-respecting shopkeeper in this neck of the woods has a
house worth less than 1.5 million - it's standard issue!

I'm sure your place is *entirely* different, but my experience of many
shops is that they aren't really able to offer any real advice, service
depends on how late the sales assistant got in the night before and
'backup' as you call it invariably means being told to contact the UK
representatives of the manufacturers direct when summat goes tits-up in
the warranty period. *Good* shops do exist (even here) that do seem to
be able to offer a useful blend of price and service and it's always a
pleasure to put a bit of work their way, but I think a lot of people
will say that shopping is largely an *unlovely* experience these days!

No-one tries to haggle with supermarkets and garages because the stuff's
already too cheap (witness the lard so many people are hauling around
these days) in the first instance and because they can't in the second!

Now, having mentioned the neighbour - apparently the 'revised price' for
the VCR repair was 39 quid (not 29) and that almost certainly subject to
VAT, so the original 'estimate' of 50 quid was about right. Still a
crock, in my book...

Personal anecdote:

I bought summat (can't remember what) from the *other* hifi shop (an ex
employee of the first shop and who hates the family who own/run the
first shop) and for some reason looked it up on the website when I got
back. I was a bit surprised to find it was exactly 10 quid cheaper! I
contacted the shop owner (know him very well) and said WTF? and was
regaled (yet again) with the 'Internet prices are cheaper blah blah
blah.. I said 'so I've paid 10 quid for the privilege of carrying the
item home and saving you having to ship it? (It's just the one shop -
the item would have been carried out of the same door no matter what!) I
said 'fine but you know what I'll do (or not do) in the future, don't
you?' and said cheerio. About an hour later he phoned up to tell me he'd
refunded the ten quid (credit card) and had decided not to quibble when
people quoted prices from his website in the future...!!

The same shop had (probably still has) - checks...

Yep:

http://www.audiovision.co.uk/#7114X0

an Infocus 72 DLP Digital PJ advertised for £895. Swim bought hers for
400 odd quid from (struggles, gives up - can't remember) OK, asks son
and he says (he remembers this stuff) it was £495 from:

http://www.creative-audio.co.uk/

But is discontinued and has been cheaper since!

Now Boro, me auld china, that's 400 hundred quid difference on one
gadget - how much ****ing *support* do you think the local shops should
get?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Dear keith,

I'm sorry to hear that you haven't had any good experiences of quality
retailing, but at the end of the day all retailers on the high street
have overheads that the internet chavs don't have to suffer. Also, is
it a crime to make a profit so that we can live in a 3 bed semi and
drive a car to work? Now I'm not saying that to do this we have to rip
people off because most honest retailers don't. But we have to be
realistic and if we give all our margin away on a product or service
well whats the point? You pays your money and you makes the choice
you're happy to live with.Save a few quid and buy from a fly by night
knowing that if there's a problem you're stuffed or buying through a
good retailer that WILL give good advice and help you if things go
wrong. By the way, have you noticed how many electrical retailers have
gone out of business in the last few years? Must be ALL that money
they were making eh? The only hifi dealers that will survive this
obsession with prices and the internet are those that just do a bloody
good job of offering the right products at sensible prices with
excellent back up; not trying to compete with the internet on
discounting. On your point about supermarkets selling cheap stuff...
your wife must do your shopping does she!? Six tomatoes for nearly a
quid! Come on.

Regards,
Borosteve.

an Infocus 72 DLP Digital PJ advertised for £895. Swim bought hers for
400 odd quid from (struggles, gives up - can't remember) OK, asks son
and he says (he remembers this stuff) it was £495 from:


Bugger. You'll have to follow Projectors / Infocus / IN72...




Keith..

Any chance you and the rest here could snip some posts ..saves ages
scrolling down and down etc..

Ta......
--
Tony Sayer