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Keith G November 11th 07 08:48 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

I'm tempted by one of these, as I've got a 300 Gb HHD kicking about,
doing nowt atm:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=pvr&doy=10m11


Anybody got one or know if they're any good?





Dave Plowman (News) November 11th 07 11:16 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I'm tempted by one of these, as I've got a 300 Gb HHD kicking about,
doing nowt atm:


http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=pvr&doy=10m11



Anybody got one or know if they're any good?


Dunno - but I saw it and thought it looked good value. Also their
satellite kit with rotator for 100 quid. Unusual for Maplin.

But if you don't already have a PVR bite the bullet and get a Topfield -
you won't be disappointed. There's all sorts of free software to
reconfigure it to your needs if you don't like that supplied.

--
*Who is this General Failure chap anyway - and why is he reading my HD? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G November 12th 07 12:54 AM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
I'm tempted by one of these, as I've got a 300 Gb HHD kicking about,
doing nowt atm:


http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...=pvr&doy=10m11



Anybody got one or know if they're any good?


Dunno - but I saw it and thought it looked good value. Also their
satellite kit with rotator for 100 quid. Unusual for Maplin.

But if you don't already have a PVR bite the bullet and get a
Topfield -
you won't be disappointed. There's all sorts of free software to
reconfigure it to your needs if you don't like that supplied.



We already have a Topfield (Swim's) and a Thomson (was mine) - I get
excellent *projectable quality* DVD Videos (no siplynch problems) from
the Toppy via the computer but it won't record GQT (R4) for some reason
and 'chase play' navigation is hopeless, so I lost the Tommy under the
heading 'use it or lose it!

I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded files
were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to load it up
with every damn thing that looked anything like a possible over a period
of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it straight up to the PC for
processing as and when....

I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....

Done! Now, we'll see....




--
*Who is this General Failure chap anyway - and why is he reading my
HD? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.




Keith G November 12th 07 12:56 AM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Keith G" wrote


I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....

Done! Now, we'll see....



Meant to add the 49.99 price included shipping!

(Can't be bad! :-)





Keith G November 12th 07 12:31 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Signal" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote:



I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded files
were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to load it
up
with every damn thing that looked anything like a possible over a
period
of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it straight up to the PC for
processing as and when....

I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....

Done! Now, we'll see....




It's being discussed he
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s...php?p=19280411



Thanks for that.

Interesting, but saying only what I really expect from these forums -
there's always somebody not happy (usually unrealistic expectations at
the price or ****ed it all up) and one or two who say the thing's OK for
the money. (?) What will make it handy for me is if I can get the files
off it (a la Toppy) to make decent DVD-Videos from them; if so, it'll
make a handy *movie grabber*, if nothing else - we'll see!




Dave Plowman (News) November 12th 07 12:43 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
We already have a Topfield (Swim's) and a Thomson (was mine) - I get
excellent *projectable quality* DVD Videos (no siplynch problems) from
the Toppy via the computer but it won't record GQT (R4) for some reason
and 'chase play' navigation is hopeless, so I lost the Tommy under the
heading 'use it or lose it!


I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'chase play' - is that making up some
form of play list so it will chunter out more than one pre-recorded prog?
But have you checked if there is any software available to do what you
want? Mine records radio fine - or at least has on trial. I normally use
the PC for this as I'm more likely to listen to them in that area.

I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded files
were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to load it up
with every damn thing that looked anything like a possible over a period
of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it straight up to the PC for
processing as and when....


Are you sure the files on its HD can be read direct by your PC? Just
wondering...

I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....


Done! Now, we'll see....


--
*Gravity is a myth, the earth sucks *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G November 12th 07 01:31 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
We already have a Topfield (Swim's) and a Thomson (was mine) - I get
excellent *projectable quality* DVD Videos (no siplynch problems)
from
the Toppy via the computer but it won't record GQT (R4) for some
reason
and 'chase play' navigation is hopeless, so I lost the Tommy under
the
heading 'use it or lose it!


I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'chase play' - is that making up
some
form of play list so it will chunter out more than one pre-recorded
prog?



No, it's where you are watching/stopping/pausing/rewinding/catching up
the programme that is being recorded, but I think it's mostly skipping
back to rewatch something whether it's actually being recorded at the
time or not - the Toppy jumps about all over the place where the Tommy
is smooth (like a tape) and quick.



But have you checked if there is any software available to do what you
want? Mine records radio fine - or at least has on trial. I normally
use
the PC for this as I'm more likely to listen to them in that area.



I don't touch the Toppy or get into it at all - it's not my gadget, so I
don't *go there*!! I have no interest in the telly and almost never
watch anything other than the news; Swim supplies me with an endless
stream of 'suitable stuff' which I watch as and when, either from DVDRW
or a laptop. (So, no loss to me to lob her the Tommy solely for GQT!)



I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded
files
were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to load it
up
with every damn thing that looked anything like a possible over a
period
of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it straight up to the PC
for
processing as and when....


Are you sure the files on its HD can be read direct by your PC? Just
wondering...



No, that's the big question that won't get answered until I've had a
fiddle with it. Part of the fun is to get round the (inevitable)
barriers!!

For example, to get a Toppy recording onto the big screen goes like
this:

Toppy REC file to laptop/ArcDisk20 external HDD (slow)

ArcDisk20 to my PC (slow)

REC file to Mpeg via MPEG Streamclip (quick)

MPEG to laptop (if for me) or to DVD-Video via DVD Author/Copy2DVD if
for projecting (not too bad)

Worth it? Oh yes - the quality is top notch (up there with rentals) with
no trace of siplynch whether I edit the ads out (rare I bother on a
'watch & blow') or not! (It was the absolute kiss of death with
recordings from the Tommy, when 'archived' to any DVDR - so, Tommy still
no loss...!!)

Really worth it? Oh yes, the *arse* in Charlie's Angels Full Throttle
last night was *easily* worth it... :-)

Seriously worth it? Yes, of course - I've any number of those 'Coast',
'How We Built Britain', 'World's Biggest XYZ' 'Michael Palin In Europe'
&c. series ready to go when I'm in the mood; not to mention the numerous
'art' and music programmes' I like! Last night I caught up with Classic
Stars - Lang Lang on the piano on my Bez/Fidelios was *stunning*!!

(Biggest bugbear? - 'DOGs' and the presenters deliberately yakking
through the credits....)





Nick Gorham November 12th 07 01:49 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:

We already have a Topfield (Swim's) and a Thomson (was mine) - I get
excellent *projectable quality* DVD Videos (no siplynch problems) from
the Toppy via the computer but it won't record GQT (R4) for some reason
and 'chase play' navigation is hopeless, so I lost the Tommy under the
heading 'use it or lose it!



I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'chase play' - is that making up some
form of play list so it will chunter out more than one pre-recorded prog?
But have you checked if there is any software available to do what you
want? Mine records radio fine - or at least has on trial. I normally use
the PC for this as I'm more likely to listen to them in that area.


I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded files
were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to load it up
with every damn thing that looked anything like a possible over a period
of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it straight up to the PC for
processing as and when....



Are you sure the files on its HD can be read direct by your PC? Just
wondering...



I would have thought at that price its unlikely to include the cost of a
Windows CE license, so it likely to be a Linux based OS, so I suspect
your windows PC won't make any sense of the disk.

--
Nick

jasee November 12th 07 04:56 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Nick Gorham wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Keith G wrote:

We already have a Topfield (Swim's) and a Thomson (was mine) - I get
excellent *projectable quality* DVD Videos (no siplynch problems)
from the Toppy via the computer but it won't record GQT (R4) for
some reason and 'chase play' navigation is hopeless, so I lost the
Tommy under the heading 'use it or lose it!



I'm not quite sure what you mean by 'chase play' - is that making up
some form of play list so it will chunter out more than one
pre-recorded prog? But have you checked if there is any software
available to do what you want? Mine records radio fine - or at least
has on trial. I normally use the PC for this as I'm more likely to
listen to them in that area.
I was hoping someone had one and could tell me what the recorded
files were - with a 300 Gig hard disk in it it would be possible to
load it up with every damn thing that looked anything like a
possible over a period of time, then pop it/swap it out and hook it
straight up to the PC for processing as and when....



Are you sure the files on its HD can be read direct by your PC? Just
wondering...



I would have thought at that price its unlikely to include the cost
of a Windows CE license, so it likely to be a Linux based OS, so I
suspect your windows PC won't make any sense of the disk.


If it's simply a linux based disk, then booting a live os of say Knoppix
should enable you to read the files and transfer them to an NTFS or FAT32
drive, but if it's anything like the Sky boxes with HD, then it'll be
encrypted :-(



Keith G November 16th 07 01:06 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote


I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....

Done! Now, we'll see....



Meant to add the 49.99 price included shipping!

(Can't be bad! :-)



OK, bottom line is - it isn't! Not at the price, if you have a spare
(IDE) HDD kicking about - and less face it, who doesn't?

Initial impression is that it's plenty OK appearancewise for the money
and comes as a nice little bundle that even includes the screws to mount
the HDD which you will have to provide for it to become anything other
than a simple Digital STB. Fitting the HDD is a breeze but involves 10
screws altogether - making quick drive-swapping impossible. In the
unlikely event that someone would want to swap hard disks on a regular
basis (they are not recognised by my PC, at least) it would pay to let
the drive 'dangle' - possibly on extended leads.

I was disappointed at first how the thing worked - it is nothing like as
clever as the Tommy I had been used to using; the Nikkai is a simple
twin tuner device with one dedicated to PVR work, while the other
provides a TV signal. This means you can watch TV and 'pause/navigate'
the programme or you can record a programme and 'chase play' it (watch
while the prog is still recording) with full navigation options, but not
both - if you are recording one channel and watching another, you will
not really be able to do anything with the channel you are watching
other than pause it and lose time.

Once you (me) get into it a bit you find that it's not so bad - picture
and sound are quite impressive (picture is excellent) and the
menus/remote control pretty intuitive. The EPG is OK and onscreen info
isn't at all bad, but one PITA is that you have name your recordings
yourself (with a 'soft', onscreen keypad) otherwise it will only give
you station, date and time info. One signal advantage that I haven't
seen on another machine (or at least, have never yet discovered) is that
a button on the remote will allow you to toggle between 'DTV' and 'VCR'
which is effectively 'AV In' - this allows you to watch another source
(DVD or Tape) *through* the Nikkai which has to be on but which can be
doing other stuff like recording at the same time (I think) - very handy
for people whose telly has only the one scart, like mine!

Biggest ****er? - You can record/playback the radio stations just fine
but you can only pause them - you can't run backwards or forwards
(FF/REW) through the programme! Other niggles are minor (lurid,
single-colour orange display for example) but the fatal flaw, for me, is
that I can't pull the recordings off the HDD; that will have to continue
to be done from the Toppy we have here - whether or not the Nikkai gets
added to the heap of other Bright Ideas that I don't use after the
'honeymoon period' (and will eventually give away) remains to be seen!

Inasmuch as the Triumph petrol tank pic is coming from a DVDR in the
Pioneer, the whole story is pictographically depicted here, really - if
anyone is interested:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-01.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-02.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-03.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-04.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-05.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-06.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-07.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-08.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-09.JPG


Now, who do I see at Maplins for my commission?




Adrian C November 16th 07 01:24 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:

Meant to add the 49.99 price included shipping!

(Can't be bad! :-)


http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=221276&TabID=1&source=1&doy=1 6m11


OK, bottom line is - it isn't! Not at the price, if you have a spare
(IDE) HDD kicking about - and less face it, who doesn't?

Initial impression is that it's plenty OK appearancewise for the money
and comes as a nice little bundle that even includes the screws to mount
the HDD which you will have to provide for it to become anything other
than a simple Digital STB. Fitting the HDD is a breeze but involves 10
screws altogether - making quick drive-swapping impossible. In the
unlikely event that someone would want to swap hard disks on a regular
basis (they are not recognised by my PC, at least) it would pay to let
the drive 'dangle' - possibly on extended leads.

I was disappointed at first how the thing worked - it is nothing like as
clever as the Tommy I had been used to using; the Nikkai is a simple
twin tuner device with one dedicated to PVR work, while the other
provides a TV signal. This means you can watch TV and 'pause/navigate'
the programme or you can record a programme and 'chase play' it (watch
while the prog is still recording) with full navigation options, but not
both - if you are recording one channel and watching another, you will
not really be able to do anything with the channel you are watching
other than pause it and lose time.

Once you (me) get into it a bit you find that it's not so bad - picture
and sound are quite impressive (picture is excellent) and the
menus/remote control pretty intuitive. The EPG is OK and onscreen info
isn't at all bad, but one PITA is that you have name your recordings
yourself (with a 'soft', onscreen keypad) otherwise it will only give
you station, date and time info. One signal advantage that I haven't
seen on another machine (or at least, have never yet discovered) is that
a button on the remote will allow you to toggle between 'DTV' and 'VCR'
which is effectively 'AV In' - this allows you to watch another source
(DVD or Tape) *through* the Nikkai which has to be on but which can be
doing other stuff like recording at the same time (I think) - very handy
for people whose telly has only the one scart, like mine!

Biggest ****er? - You can record/playback the radio stations just fine
but you can only pause them - you can't run backwards or forwards
(FF/REW) through the programme! Other niggles are minor (lurid,
single-colour orange display for example) but the fatal flaw, for me, is
that I can't pull the recordings off the HDD; that will have to continue
to be done from the Toppy we have here - whether or not the Nikkai gets
added to the heap of other Bright Ideas that I don't use after the
'honeymoon period' (and will eventually give away) remains to be seen!

Inasmuch as the Triumph petrol tank pic is coming from a DVDR in the
Pioneer, the whole story is pictographically depicted here, really - if
anyone is interested:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-01.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-02.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-03.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-04.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-05.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-06.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-07.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-08.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-09.JPG


Now, who do I see at Maplins for my commission?


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Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your discoveries ...

:-)

--
Adrian C

Mark Carver November 16th 07 02:32 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:


Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your discoveries ...


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ? I assume the valve amplifier in
jpg.09 is optional ? :-)


Keith G November 16th 07 02:44 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:



:-)

I can do signed photos (genuine signature - no facsimiles) for 2.50 each
(post paid), if anyone wants them...


Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your
discoveries ...

:-)



OK, but I should point out that I know squiddly-diddly about it really -
that was just an overview for the few on ukra who are mainly *audio
enthusiasts* but who also dabble in a little TV recording and like to
spend in Maplins! :-)

Key to the whole thing is if you have a spare HDD already, you don't end
up paying *stupid money* for one simply because it's already in the
PVR!! I ended up with only a 40 Gig disk in (I had already buggered up
my spare 300 Gig disk and another 80 Gig disk I was given simply didn't
work) but I suspect it will be ample for what I will use it for - mostly
a bit of chase play 'watch & blow' or to record the end of a proggie I'm
halfway through when summat else calls me away!!




Keith G November 16th 07 02:46 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:


Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your
discoveries ...


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ?



Streuth, there's a lot of 'em! I'll see what I can do a bit later - only
cleaning a motorbike and cooking (preparing) a stew atm!


I assume the valve amplifier in
jpg.09 is optional ? :-)



No to me it's not - I wouldn't be without it! ;-)




Ivan November 16th 07 03:01 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:


Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your discoveries
...


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ?



Streuth, there's a lot of 'em! I'll see what I can do a bit later - only
cleaning a motorbike and cooking (preparing) a stew atm!


I assume the valve amplifier in
jpg.09 is optional ? :-)



No to me it's not - I wouldn't be without it! ;-)



I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of, however my
daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very nice
gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to him!



bugbear November 16th 07 03:17 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Ivan wrote:

I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of, however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very
nice gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to
him!


The Far East has a number of hi-fi enthusiasts
who will pay big money for classic vintage valve
gear; a local guy used to have a business
buying in the UK, selling in the far East,
via a web site.

BugBear

Ivan November 16th 07 03:41 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"bugbear" wrote in message
...
Ivan wrote:

I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of, however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very
nice gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to
him!


The Far East has a number of hi-fi enthusiasts
who will pay big money for classic vintage valve
gear; a local guy used to have a business
buying in the UK, selling in the far East,
via a web site.


In the 1960s my mate used to be a engineer for Radford electronics and owns
a very nice Radford 30/30 valved stereo amplifier complete with preamp from
the period.
I've been trying to get him to put it on ebay, as he might just as well make
a few bob whilst he still has the chance, especially as he hasn't used it in
recent times and probably never will.


BugBear



Rob November 16th 07 04:20 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Keith G wrote:
"Keith G" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


I can feel and 'online purchase' coming on....

Done! Now, we'll see....


Meant to add the 49.99 price included shipping!

(Can't be bad! :-)



OK, bottom line is - it isn't! Not at the price, if you have a spare
(IDE) HDD kicking about - and less face it, who doesn't?

*** snip

Biggest ****er? - You can record/playback the radio stations just fine
but you can only pause them - you can't run backwards or forwards
(FF/REW) through the programme! Other niggles are minor (lurid,
single-colour orange display for example) but the fatal flaw, for me, is
that I can't pull the recordings off the HDD; that will have to continue
to be done from the Toppy we have here - whether or not the Nikkai gets
added to the heap of other Bright Ideas that I don't use after the
'honeymoon period' (and will eventually give away) remains to be seen!


The Humax USB-computer is slow as well - about half real time. I take
the HD out when it's backing up time, connect to the PC, and read the
files with softwa

http://humaxdisk.wikispaces.com/HummyReadFiles

It *may* be that this prog works with your PVR. Otherwise, you'll have
to wait until some kind soul works it out.

The files are playable with VLC, and editable/squashable (MP4) with MPEG
Streamclip.

I recently archived a few shows to AVI, and then DVD, which play on my
DVD player. 8 hours of DVD playback in pretty good quality. So that's
more stuff not to watch ;-)

Rob

Keith G November 16th 07 04:55 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:


Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your
discoveries ...


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ?



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's
just the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is
shifted to the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's only
a 14" portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the PVR.
Anyway, I'm sure this will all mean more to you than it does to me!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010029.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010030.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010031.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010035.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010038.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010039.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010041.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010042.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010043.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010046.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010054.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010056.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010057.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010058.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010062.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010064.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010067.JPG


There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you an
idea...




Keith G November 16th 07 05:02 PM

Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Rob" wrote


The Humax USB-computer is slow as well - about half real time. I take
the HD out when it's backing up time, connect to the PC, and read the
files with softwa

http://humaxdisk.wikispaces.com/HummyReadFiles

It *may* be that this prog works with your PVR. Otherwise, you'll have
to wait until some kind soul works it out.

The files are playable with VLC, and editable/squashable (MP4) with
MPEG Streamclip.



Thanks Rob, but sod all that - I'm backed up with recorded stuff as it
is! I'll use the Nikkai for 'chase play' and to finish off progs that I
have to leave halfway through (and never catch up anyway!)!!

(For a while - then it'll never get switched on! ;-)


I recently archived a few shows to AVI, and then DVD, which play on my
DVD player. 8 hours of DVD playback in pretty good quality. So that's
more stuff not to watch ;-)



See above...

:-)




Mark Carver November 16th 07 05:36 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Keith G wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ?



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's
just the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is
shifted to the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's only
a 14" portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the PVR.
Anyway, I'm sure this will all mean more to you than it does to me!


[snip]

There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you an
idea...


Thanks for taking the trouble to do that Keith. Very interesting.


--
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Keith G November 16th 07 08:32 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Spider Pig" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:55:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:

Hi Keith,

Fine Post.


Keith,

Does the EPG work fine? I'm interested to know, how the software
updates. I currently have a sagem pvr but am still waiting for them to
issue a software update they promised over a year ago. So for 50 quid
and a hdd I was considering giving this one a go.



I consulted the expert in the family (#1 son) who says the Nikkai
appears OK for 'secondary use' (kids, fathers, people with learning
difficulties) but wouldn't do for a main PVR and recommends the new
Tommy:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B...pf_rd_i=468294

.....which is not a lot more money (atm) and has just had an update. (The
big thing is being able to record two different programmes while
watching a third, apparently!) But bearing in mind I've only had it one
day, I think the Nikkai works well and the EPG (though considered slow
and unappealing by the above expert) seems to work OK for me. No idea
how and when it could/would be updated, though - presumably by broadcast
transmission?

Once again, the key to this gadget is not having to buy/pay for an HDD
if you have already got a spare, or being able to throw in a humungeous
amount of storage (up to 500 Gig, at least) for a modest sum at todays
prices and getting a machine with more recording capacity (endless, if
you keep feeding it HDDs) than is currently available 'off the shelf'
with perfectly decent (if not excellent!) picture and sound quality.
The 'record one/watch one' restriction does not represent a problem to
me, only having to title the recordings by hand (if you want half an
idea what the prgramme is a day later) is a PITA, from what I can see of
it!

Ya pays ya money....





Keith G November 16th 07 08:36 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
"Mark Carver" wrote in message


Looks interesting. One of my teenage lads wants a PVR, this might be
an affordable solution.

Any screenshots of the menus etc ?



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's
just the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is
shifted to the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's
only a 14" portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the
PVR. Anyway, I'm sure this will all mean more to you than it does to
me!


[snip]

There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you
an idea...


Thanks for taking the trouble to do that Keith. Very interesting.



You're welcome, Mark - I'm only sorry the pix were so crap! (Ignore all
that pink ****e - doesn't happen in real life; the colours are really
quite nice on the menus!!)




Gio November 16th 07 09:16 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's just
the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is shifted to
the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's only a 14"
portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the PVR. Anyway, I'm
sure this will all mean more to you than it does to me!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010029.JPG


snip


There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you an
idea...



Thank you for that info / screen shots Keith, as a result I have given it a
go and placed an order tonight. You should be on commission :-)

Gio



Graham. November 16th 07 09:47 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Spider Pig" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:55:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Mark Carver" wrote in message
...
On Nov 16, 2:24 pm, Adrian C wrote:
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:

Hi Keith,

Fine Post.


Keith,

Does the EPG work fine? I'm interested to know, how the software
updates. I currently have a sagem pvr but am still waiting for them to
issue a software update they promised over a year ago. So for 50 quid
and a hdd I was considering giving this one a go.


Have a look at the offerings of an Ebay dealer called
soundandvisiondirect. I got an 80GB Techwood
(Vestel) PVR from him for GBP49 including postage
from him and I have been very pleased with it. (HDD included!)

--
Graham

%Profound_observation%



Keith G November 17th 07 01:17 AM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Gio" wrote in message ...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's
just the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is
shifted to the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's
only a 14" portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the
PVR. Anyway, I'm sure this will all mean more to you than it does to
me!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010029.JPG


snip


There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you
an idea...



Thank you for that info / screen shots Keith, as a result I have given
it a go and placed an order tonight. You should be on commission :-)



OK Gio, I hope you like it; if you post any observations on the groups,
please ensure to include ukra - I would be very interested to hear your
opinion. From viewing earlier this evening, I can confirm that DVDs
played through it ('AV in') suffer *no* loss of quality at all, from
what I can see! (Tested with Kill Bill Vol. 1 - the Okinawa sequence!)

One thing - hook it up and scan the stations in *before* you put an HDD
in it, or the machine will play dead!




Brian Gaff November 17th 07 08:38 AM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Does the module offer audio description channel extraction at all?

Brian

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Email:
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________


"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

International Megastar Keith G wrote:

Meant to add the 49.99 price included shipping!

(Can't be bad! :-)


http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=221276&TabID=1&source=1&doy=1 6m11


OK, bottom line is - it isn't! Not at the price, if you have a spare
(IDE) HDD kicking about - and less face it, who doesn't?

Initial impression is that it's plenty OK appearancewise for the money
and comes as a nice little bundle that even includes the screws to mount
the HDD which you will have to provide for it to become anything other
than a simple Digital STB. Fitting the HDD is a breeze but involves 10
screws altogether - making quick drive-swapping impossible. In the
unlikely event that someone would want to swap hard disks on a regular
basis (they are not recognised by my PC, at least) it would pay to let
the drive 'dangle' - possibly on extended leads.

I was disappointed at first how the thing worked - it is nothing like as
clever as the Tommy I had been used to using; the Nikkai is a simple twin
tuner device with one dedicated to PVR work, while the other provides a
TV signal. This means you can watch TV and 'pause/navigate' the programme
or you can record a programme and 'chase play' it (watch while the prog
is still recording) with full navigation options, but not both - if you
are recording one channel and watching another, you will not really be
able to do anything with the channel you are watching other than pause it
and lose time.

Once you (me) get into it a bit you find that it's not so bad - picture
and sound are quite impressive (picture is excellent) and the
menus/remote control pretty intuitive. The EPG is OK and onscreen info
isn't at all bad, but one PITA is that you have name your recordings
yourself (with a 'soft', onscreen keypad) otherwise it will only give you
station, date and time info. One signal advantage that I haven't seen on
another machine (or at least, have never yet discovered) is that a button
on the remote will allow you to toggle between 'DTV' and 'VCR' which is
effectively 'AV In' - this allows you to watch another source (DVD or
Tape) *through* the Nikkai which has to be on but which can be doing
other stuff like recording at the same time (I think) - very handy for
people whose telly has only the one scart, like mine!

Biggest ****er? - You can record/playback the radio stations just fine
but you can only pause them - you can't run backwards or forwards
(FF/REW) through the programme! Other niggles are minor (lurid,
single-colour orange display for example) but the fatal flaw, for me, is
that I can't pull the recordings off the HDD; that will have to continue
to be done from the Toppy we have here - whether or not the Nikkai gets
added to the heap of other Bright Ideas that I don't use after the
'honeymoon period' (and will eventually give away) remains to be seen!

Inasmuch as the Triumph petrol tank pic is coming from a DVDR in the
Pioneer, the whole story is pictographically depicted here, really - if
anyone is interested:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-01.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-02.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-03.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-04.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-05.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-06.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-07.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-08.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Nikkai-09.JPG


Now, who do I see at Maplins for my commission?


[Post copied to uk.tech.digital-tv, uk.tech.tv.video.pvr]

Hi Keith,

Fine Post.

Thought I'd bring some collective minds to ponder over your discoveries
...

:-)

--
Adrian C




Geoff Mackenzie November 17th 07 08:53 AM

eBay
 

-snip-



I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of, however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very nice
gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would have
to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact the best
way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....

Geoff MacK


Dave Plowman (News) November 17th 07 09:53 AM

eBay
 
In article ,
Geoff Mackenzie wrote:

-snip-



I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of,
however my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased
by a very nice gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just
to send it to him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would
have to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact
the best way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....


Hi Geoff. ;-)

Excellent way of selling near anything. One tip is to find out the cost
of packing/carriage beforehand and include that as a firm cost on your
listing. And also mention they may be collected in person.
Stupidly high carriage costs - or not stated ones - put many off bidding.

--
*How do they get the deer to cross at that yellow road sign?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

JPG November 17th 07 10:20 AM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Sounds very fishy to me.

Mark Carver November 17th 07 10:38 AM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
JPG wrote:
Sounds very fishy to me.


You can tune a radio, but you can't tune a fish.

--
Mark
Please replace invalid and invalid with gmx and net to reply.

Geoff Mackenzie November 17th 07 11:10 AM

eBay
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Geoff Mackenzie wrote:

-snip-



I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of,
however my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased
by a very nice gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just
to send it to him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would
have to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact
the best way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....


Hi Geoff. ;-)

Excellent way of selling near anything. One tip is to find out the cost
of packing/carriage beforehand and include that as a firm cost on your
listing. And also mention they may be collected in person.
Stupidly high carriage costs - or not stated ones - put many off bidding.

--
*How do they get the deer to cross at that yellow road sign?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


Well, well, Dave - fancy meeting you here...!

Geoff MacK


Gio November 17th 07 07:08 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Gio" wrote in message ...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...



Here ya go - ignore all the pinky/purple (that doesn't happen - it's
just the camera and the crap pix) and for some reason everything is
shifted to the left a bit which wasn't happening yesterday but it's only
a 14" portable and I haven't a clue, so I wouldn't shoot the PVR.
Anyway, I'm sure this will all mean more to you than it does to me!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/L1010029.JPG


snip


There's probably a load more, but I'm sure there's enough to give you an
idea...



Thank you for that info / screen shots Keith, as a result I have given it
a go and placed an order tonight. You should be on commission :-)



OK Gio, I hope you like it; if you post any observations on the groups,
please ensure to include ukra - I would be very interested to hear your
opinion. From viewing earlier this evening, I can confirm that DVDs played
through it ('AV in') suffer *no* loss of quality at all, from what I can
see! (Tested with Kill Bill Vol. 1 - the Okinawa sequence!)

One thing - hook it up and scan the stations in *before* you put an HDD in
it, or the machine will play dead!

Thanks for the tip Keith. With luck it will be delivered on Wed so no
report for a bit. It seems a little strange that the machine plays dead when
a drive is fitted. I would have thought the machine would have set about
formatting the new drive on boot-up then would have been ready for tuning.
By the way what is ukra ? The only thing I know with those letters are The
United Kingdom Rocket Association (UKRA) as in www.ukra.org.uk/
If it means something else then you will have to let me know because my isp
does not list ukra on the newsgroup list.

Gio



Ian[_2_] November 17th 07 07:21 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 
Gio wrote:
By the way what is ukra ? The only thing I know with those letters are The
United Kingdom Rocket Association (UKRA) as in www.ukra.org.uk/
If it means something else then you will have to let me know because my isp
does not list ukra on the newsgroup list.

Gio


Looking at the list of newsgroups included on this post, ukra = UK.Rec.Audio

Ian.

Gio November 17th 07 07:25 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Ian" wrote in message
...
Gio wrote:
By the way what is ukra ? The only thing I know with those letters are
The United Kingdom Rocket Association (UKRA) as in www.ukra.org.uk/
If it means something else then you will have to let me know because my
isp does not list ukra on the newsgroup list.

Gio

Looking at the list of newsgroups included on this post, ukra =
UK.Rec.Audio

Ian.


Thanks Ian. :-)

Gio.



Keith G November 17th 07 07:56 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Spider Pig" wrote


Well Keith,

I must be a 'secondary user' ( fathers, people with learning
difficulties) tell your #1 son. I been and bought one this afternoon.



Kills me the way he doesn't actually say 'it'll be plenty good enough
for you' but I can usually tell he's thinking it!! :-)


Brought it home, set it up first (as you recommended)



Yes, the manual's a little vague on that - like it doesn't mention it at
all!!


then added hdd
and formated it, and I have to say I'm impressed! It'll do for my
needs I only need to view one channel and record from another.



Me also...


Thanks again for all your info.



You're welcome and I hope it continues to do the trick - the only raised
eyebrow I've had is having hit the OTR button to finish a programme this
afternoon (default 2 hours), when I got in a little earlier this evening
the little bugger was beavering away some 5 and a half hours in and
still going like a good 'un! Not the end of the world, but I hope it
doesn't do it too often!!?? Anyway, I shall shortly hook the S-Video
output up to my digital PJ and check that out - if it's OK, it's going
to save the cost of a telly bigger than my 14" portable! (Bedroom
setup!)



Keith G November 17th 07 08:05 PM

Maplin Bareback Twin Tuna PVR
 

"Gio" wrote in message ...

"Keith G" wrote




One thing - hook it up and scan the stations in *before* you put an
HDD in it, or the machine will play dead!

Thanks for the tip Keith. With luck it will be delivered on Wed so no
report for a bit. It seems a little strange that the machine plays
dead when a drive is fitted.



I agree, but dead it was! I thought it might have been a knackered
on/off switch but I could hear/feel the HDD whirring when I put my ear
to it, so I took the HDD out and tried again and it lit up straight
away - I didn't even see the channels go in, it seems they were there by
the time I had got the telly on and toggled round to it!


I would have thought the machine would have set about
formatting the new drive on boot-up then would have been ready for
tuning.



Yep, but you know what these gadgets are like - they all got their funny
little ways!!


By the way what is ukra ?



I see you got your answer!! ;-)

(I don't subscribe anywhere else - if you didn't include ukra I wouldn't
see your comments!)




Serge Auckland November 18th 07 11:04 AM

eBay
 
"Signal" wrote in message
...
"Geoff Mackenzie" wrote:

I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of, however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very
nice
gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would have
to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact the
best
way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....

Geoff MacK



Yes, good way to sell that gear. Couple of tips -

Sell smaller items first to get some feedback. People will be more
inclined to bid on the more expensive stuff once you have feedback.

Search 'completed items' for the things you are selling before you put
them up. It will help you establish what your item is worth, what
starting price to use.

Provide shipping costs up front. Don't forget insurance!

Decribe accurately, including faults and cosmetic damage.

It's not a good idea to cut and paste text from other auctions.

Use clear, detailed photographs. More is better.

If you allow people to collect, "cash on collection" is best. Do NOT
let them pay up front for anything of signficiant value with Paypal.


Why not?

S.


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Serge Auckland November 18th 07 11:46 AM

eBay
 
"Signal" wrote in message
...
"Serge Auckland" wrote:

I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of,
however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very
nice
gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to
him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would
have
to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact the
best
way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....

Geoff MacK


Yes, good way to sell that gear. Couple of tips -

Sell smaller items first to get some feedback. People will be more
inclined to bid on the more expensive stuff once you have feedback.

Search 'completed items' for the things you are selling before you put
them up. It will help you establish what your item is worth, what
starting price to use.

Provide shipping costs up front. Don't forget insurance!

Decribe accurately, including faults and cosmetic damage.

It's not a good idea to cut and paste text from other auctions.

Use clear, detailed photographs. More is better.

If you allow people to collect, "cash on collection" is best. Do NOT
let them pay up front for anything of signficiant value with Paypal.


Why not?


Becuase they can claim not to have received the goods and get a
chargeback .. it happens


Ah! I hadn't thought of that one. Too trusting.

S.


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Geoff Mackenzie November 18th 07 11:58 AM

eBay
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
"Signal" wrote in message
...
"Serge Auckland" wrote:

I had an old Rogers valve amp which I was going to 'dispose' of,
however
my daughter put it on ebay where it fetched £130, purchased by a very
nice
gentleman in Japan, however it cost over £90.00 just to send it to
him!



Interesting - I need to dispose of some pretty specialised bits of
kit -
monoblok valve amps, electrostatic speakers etc - and thought I would
have
to look around for specialist sites or magazines. Is eBay in fact the
best
way to go? I must be the only bloke who's never used it....

Geoff MacK


Yes, good way to sell that gear. Couple of tips -

Sell smaller items first to get some feedback. People will be more
inclined to bid on the more expensive stuff once you have feedback.

Search 'completed items' for the things you are selling before you put
them up. It will help you establish what your item is worth, what
starting price to use.

Provide shipping costs up front. Don't forget insurance!

Decribe accurately, including faults and cosmetic damage.

It's not a good idea to cut and paste text from other auctions.

Use clear, detailed photographs. More is better.

If you allow people to collect, "cash on collection" is best. Do NOT
let them pay up front for anything of signficiant value with Paypal.

Why not?


Becuase they can claim not to have received the goods and get a
chargeback .. it happens


Ah! I hadn't thought of that one. Too trusting.

I thought most of the reputable parcel companies offer on-line tracking,
right up to the recipient's signature - wouldn't that be proof of delivery?

Geoff MacK



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