"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.


This probably was not a case of anyone "having muscle"
but simply a unanimous decision to master a dynamic, clean,
unclipped CD. It is easily done, and is indeed very good news.


Iain

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:08:41 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.


This probably was not a case of anyone "having muscle"
but simply a unanimous decision to master a dynamic, clean,
unclipped CD. It is easily done, and is indeed very good news.


Iain



I think that coming to such a unanimous decision is quite easy when
you have Page, Plant and Jones giving you the evil eye across the desk
daring you to decide otherwise. Anyone from today's pop generation
might have a little trouble overruling the producer's decision to go
for loud.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:08:41 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.


This probably was not a case of anyone "having muscle"
but simply a unanimous decision to master a dynamic, clean,
unclipped CD. It is easily done, and is indeed very good news.


Iain



I think that coming to such a unanimous decision is quite easy when
you have Page, Plant and Jones giving you the evil eye across the desk
daring you to decide otherwise. Anyone from today's pop generation
might have a little trouble overruling the producer's decision to go
for loud.


Agreed. Who was the producer, and where was the CD mastered?

Iain

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:52:45 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:08:41 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.


This probably was not a case of anyone "having muscle"
but simply a unanimous decision to master a dynamic, clean,
unclipped CD. It is easily done, and is indeed very good news.


Iain



I think that coming to such a unanimous decision is quite easy when
you have Page, Plant and Jones giving you the evil eye across the desk
daring you to decide otherwise. Anyone from today's pop generation
might have a little trouble overruling the producer's decision to go
for loud.


Agreed. Who was the producer, and where was the CD mastered?

Iain


Now I'm laughing - that persuasion was probably pretty easy. Jimmy
Page produced it. Peter Grant was the executive producer. It says it
was done at Atlantic, but I suspect it wasn't all done in the one
place.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 11:52:45 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 09:08:41 +0200, "Iain Churches"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.


This probably was not a case of anyone "having muscle"
but simply a unanimous decision to master a dynamic, clean,
unclipped CD. It is easily done, and is indeed very good news.


Iain



I think that coming to such a unanimous decision is quite easy when
you have Page, Plant and Jones giving you the evil eye across the desk
daring you to decide otherwise. Anyone from today's pop generation
might have a little trouble overruling the producer's decision to go
for loud.


Agreed. Who was the producer, and where was the CD mastered?

Iain


Now I'm laughing - that persuasion was probably pretty easy. Jimmy
Page produced it. Peter Grant was the executive producer. It says it
was done at Atlantic, but I suspect it wasn't all done in the one
place.

So no external production expertise required:-)
Atlantic is in NYC IIRC, and is part of the
Time-Warner-Elektra group.

Iain









d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:23:07 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

My CD of "Hotel California" likewise has very reasonable dynamics.
It's not even normalized on some songs.

Which CD is this? The one I have (from the late eighties) is not crushed,
but it's very screechy and has a very exaggerated top end.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"MiNe 109" wrote in message
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In article ,
"Iain Churches" wrote:

Agreed. Who was the producer, and where was the CD mastered?

Iain


Now I'm laughing - that persuasion was probably pretty easy. Jimmy
Page produced it. Peter Grant was the executive producer. It says it
was done at Atlantic, but I suspect it wasn't all done in the one
place.

So no external production expertise required:-)
Atlantic is in NYC IIRC, and is part of the
Time-Warner-Elektra group.

Jimmy Page gets the producer credit, but the remastering engineer is
George Marino at Sterling Sound.

Thanks Stephen. That's what I was interested to know.

Iain

In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original
vinyl copy, you mean from when?



___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:

In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original
vinyl copy, you mean from when?


The CD is 1997. I bought the vinyl the first day it appeared in the
shops, back in whenever it was they first made it.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 05:46:32 +0000 (UTC), Steven Sullivan
wrote:

In rec.audio.tech Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Which 'modern remix/remaster' CD version is this from...and by original
vinyl copy, you mean from when?


The CD is 1997. I bought the vinyl the first day it appeared in the
shops, back in whenever it was they first made it.


Then the CD is from the 1992 remaster series, by George Marino (with oversight
from Jimmy Page). Not exactly new. In fact, select tracks have been
remastered twice since then...and the whole catalog will probably get
remastered again in the next year or two.



___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason