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Digitizing Vinyl. Help!



 
 
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Old December 10th 07, 07:47 PM posted to rec.audio.misc, rec.audio.tech, uk.rec.audio
Adrian
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!

My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.

This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
at least 3dB more.

Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
Many thanks

Adrian
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Old December 10th 07, 08:01 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Todd H.
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian writes:

Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!

My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.


That's a moving coil cartridge. They're generally lower output that
moving magnet cartridges.

If I had to guess, without doing too much research for you, I'd wager
that the USB PHono Plus was designed with MMC's in mind, and not the
small output MCC that you have.


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Old December 11th 07, 08:11 PM posted to rec.audio.misc, rec.audio.tech, uk.rec.audio
Adrian
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Dec 10, 1:01 pm, (Todd H.) wrote:
Adrian writes:
Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!


My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.


That's a moving coil cartridge. They're generally lower output that
moving magnet cartridges.

If I had to guess, without doing too much research for you, I'd wager
that theUSBPHono Plus was designed with MMC's in mind, and not the
small output MCC that you have.

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That seems to be the consensus. Does anyone have a recomentation for
a more appropriate cartridge.

Thanks

Adrian
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Old December 12th 07, 04:46 PM posted to rec.audio.misc, rec.audio.tech, uk.rec.audio
Silk
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:11:02 -0800, Adrian wrote:

That seems to be the consensus. Does anyone have a recomentation for a
more appropriate cartridge.


Audio Technica AT95. If you can still get them.
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Old December 10th 07, 08:21 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Geoff
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian wrote:
Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!

My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.

This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
at least 3dB more.

Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
Many thanks


You need the transformer that (maybe) comes with your cartridge, or a phono
preamp with a specialised MC (Moving Coil) input. Your MC cartridge has a
very low output compared the the more usual MM (Moving Magnet) cartridges -
I doubt a USB phono interface would sport this.


geoff.


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Old December 11th 07, 08:12 PM posted to rec.audio.misc, rec.audio.tech, uk.rec.audio
Adrian
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Dec 10, 1:21 pm, "geoff" wrote:
Adrian wrote:
Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!


My equipment is aDenonDP-35F Turntable with aDenonDL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USBPhono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.


This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
strong. I have the gain on theUSBPhono turned to the max. But, the
meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
at least 3dB more.


Do you have any thoughts on what is "wrong"? And, what can I do about
it? You guys have given me great advice in the past.
Many thanks


You need the transformer that (maybe) comes with your cartridge, or a phono
preamp with a specialised MC (Moving Coil) input. Your MC cartridge has a
very low output compared the the more usual MM (Moving Magnet) cartridges -
I doubt aUSBphono interface would sport this.

geoff.


So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.

Thanks for helping.
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Old December 11th 07, 08:54 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Geoff
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

Adrian wrote:

So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.

Thanks for helping.


MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a phono preamp with
a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper option.

geoff


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Old December 11th 07, 11:22 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

"geoff" wrote in message

Adrian wrote:

So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.

Thanks for helping.


MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a
phono preamp with a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper
option.



Whether MC cartriges have any inherent benefits over MM cartridges has
always been controversial.

One of the finest MM cartridges ever made still costs less than $100. It's
hard to get a good MM preamp for $100, and MC preamps are generally far more
expensive.


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Old December 12th 07, 09:14 AM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

In article , Arny Krueger
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"geoff" wrote in message
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Adrian wrote:

So, time to find a Moving Magnet cartridge.

Thanks for helping.


MC cartridges often offer benefits over MC. Why not buy a
phono preamp with a MC/MM switch ? Probably a cheaper
option.



Whether MC cartriges have any inherent benefits over MM cartridges has
always been controversial.

One of the finest MM cartridges ever made still costs less than $100.


Which is please?...


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Old December 10th 07, 09:05 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Digitizing Vinyl. Help!

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:47:33 -0800 (PST), Adrian
wrote:

Time has come to digitize my Vinyl collection. Having successfully
copied tape material to CD, I thought this would be easy!

My equipment is a Denon DP-35F Turntable with a Denon DL-300
Cartridge, a New ART "USB Phono Plus" interface and a Dell Latitude
D810 Notebook equipped with RIP Vinyl.

This past weekend I copied three albums. The signal is clean but not
strong. I have the gain on the USB Phono turned to the max. But, the
meter in RIP barely rises about the quarter way mark. If I look at
the signal in Audacity it is pretty "thin". I could comfortably use
at least 3dB more.



Do you still have the amplifier you used to use when you played vinyl
all the time? It will have an input stage better suited to your
low-output cartridge. Use that as a preamp, feeding Tape Out into
Line In on the ART, switching out the RIAA stage.
 




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