"borosteve" wrote in message
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On 21 Dec, 09:23, "David Looser" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

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Reviewers who talk of differences in pace, rhythym, speed, darkness and
the like are simply blowing nonsense out of their backsides. If the
they
found no differences, they'd be out of a job, so they make them up and
call them non-scientific names and claim they can't be measured so as
to
ensure their next pay check. Charlatans, the lot of them.

Agreed 100%. I remember the first time I met this sort of thing in a
review,
it was for the original Linn Sondeck turntable. After describing the
"sound"
of this turntable in the sort of overblown language previously only seen
from wine reviewers, the reviewer went on to claim that *any* system
using
this turntable would sound better than any other system that didn't. So
all
the deficiencies of a cheap arm, cartridge, amp or speakers apparently
mattered less than the supposed inferiority of all other turntables.

That was the day I stopped buying Hi-Fi magazines.

David.

WOW! That stirred things up a bit!! So there we have it,Cd players all
sound the same,as do amplifiers.Cables make no difference but speakers
make all the difference. Now I now where I've been gong wrong all
these years.
Thanx guys,
Borosteve.

Glad to have been able to help!
S


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On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:22:02 -0800 (PST), borosteve
wrote:

WOW! That stirred things up a bit!! So there we have it,Cd players all
sound the same,as do amplifiers.Cables make no difference but speakers
make all the difference. Now I now where I've been gong wrong all
these years.

No stirring really. That's just the common opinion of people who work
with audio as opposed to audiophile hobbyists. Source quality matters
(and I mean the recording, not what plays it.) Speaker choice and
placement matters. Everything else needs to be competent, and mostly
is these days.

On 21 Dec, 11:46, Laurence Payne NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com wrote:
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:22:02 -0800 (PST), borosteve

wrote:
WOW! That stirred things up a bit!! So there we have it,Cd players all
sound the same,as do amplifiers.Cables make no difference but speakers
make all the difference. Now I now where I've been gong wrong all
these years.

No stirring really. That's just the common opinion of people who work
with audio as opposed to audiophile hobbyists. Source quality matters
(and I mean the recording, not what plays it.) Speaker choice and
placement matters. Everything else needs to be competent, and mostly
is these days.

What do you mean by "work with audio"? Do you mean people who use
audio in their work? i.e.musicians,producers etc?Or do you mean people
that repair equipment, like a service engineer? If its the latter then
fair enough. The guy who does my servicing can't tell the difference
between a radiogram and a high end set-up! If its the former then I
can tell you that I have done MANY comparative audio demonstrations of
cd players,amplifiers and the rest to PROFFESSIONAL musicians (most
you will have heard of!) and they appreciate the differences that are
there to hear.Of course recording quality is paramount (silk purse/
sows ear). I suppose its all about experiences, but if you can't tell
the difference in sound between a Quad 34/306 and a Naim nait3....

Merry Xmas,
Borosteve.

On 21 Dec, 09:23, "David Looser" wrote:
"Eeyore" wrote in message

...

Reviewers who talk of differences in pace, rhythym, speed, darkness and
the like are simply blowing nonsense out of their backsides. If the they
found no differences, they'd be out of a job, so they make them up and
call them non-scientific names and claim they can't be measured so as to
ensure their next pay check. Charlatans, the lot of them.

Agreed 100%. I remember the first time I met this sort of thing in a review,
it was for the original Linn Sondeck turntable. After describing the "sound"
of this turntable in the sort of overblown language previously only seen
from wine reviewers, the reviewer went on to claim that *any* system using
this turntable would sound better than any other system that didn't. So all
the deficiencies of a cheap arm, cartridge, amp or speakers apparently
mattered less than the supposed inferiority of all other turntables.

That was the day I stopped buying Hi-Fi magazines.

David.

Oh dear someone's spelt Sondek wrong, ooohh!!!

On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:02:45 -0800, borosteve wrote:

Oh dear someone's spelt Sondek wrong, ooohh!!!

The extra "c" is a modification, you fool. ;-)