Malcolm wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Malcolm wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Malcolm wrote:

The truth is that their "knowledge of science" as you put it, is
anything but knowledge. A good scientist knows that any scientific
"fact" is merely a working hypothesis that cannot be disproven to
agree with the state of scientific data at the time. The people we
are talking about here are not scientists but engineers with an
overblown faith in technology.

Whereas you, it would appear, appear to believe that your hearing
trumps scientific measurement and knowledge.

We are not measuring here - we are listening to music - or at least I
am.

You're drawing a conclusion based on what you (believe you) hear.


What you hear is what you hear - end of story - there's no "belief"
involved.

You're 100% mistaken if you think you hearing hears things the same from one
day (or even hour) to the next. What you heard on any given occasion may nor
be readily reproducible. So 'belief' does come into it.

For heaven's sake, even you *mood* can affect how you hear things ! It
certainly can with me.

The point I'm making is is that your hearing is unreliable. It can play tricks
on you. And that's the primary problem with subjectivism.

Graham

On Tue, 25 Dec 2007 13:18:01 +0000, Eeyore wrote:

[snip]

You're 100% mistaken if you think you hearing hears things the same from
one day (or even hour) to the next. What you heard on any given occasion
may nor be readily reproducible. So 'belief' does come into it.

For heaven's sake, even you *mood* can affect how you hear things ! It
certainly can with me.

The point I'm making is is that your hearing is unreliable. It can play
tricks on you. And that's the primary problem with subjectivism.

Graham

If your hearing is as bad as you suggest, you should stick to a £10
transistor radio for you listening enjoyment. Leave the hi-fi stuff to
those of us with rather more aural discernment.

Malcolm

Malcolm wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

You're 100% mistaken if you think you hearing hears things the same from
one day (or even hour) to the next. What you heard on any given occasion
may nor be readily reproducible. So 'belief' does come into it.

For heaven's sake, even you *mood* can affect how you hear things ! It
certainly can with me.

The point I'm making is is that your hearing is unreliable. It can play
tricks on you. And that's the primary problem with subjectivism.

Graham

If your hearing is as bad as you suggest, you should stick to a £10
transistor radio for you listening enjoyment. Leave the hi-fi stuff to
those of us with rather more aural discernment.

That's a very silly suggestion.

A £10 transistor radio is measurably hoplessly inferior to any form of hi-fi.

Graham

In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


Malcolm wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

You're 100% mistaken if you think you hearing hears things the same from
one day (or even hour) to the next. What you heard on any given occasion
may nor be readily reproducible. So 'belief' does come into it.

For heaven's sake, even you *mood* can affect how you hear things ! It
certainly can with me.

The point I'm making is is that your hearing is unreliable. It can play
tricks on you. And that's the primary problem with subjectivism.

Graham

If your hearing is as bad as you suggest, you should stick to a £10
transistor radio for you listening enjoyment. Leave the hi-fi stuff to
those of us with rather more aural discernment.

That's a very silly suggestion.

A £10 transistor radio is measurably hoplessly inferior to any form of hi-fi.

Graham

Well spend a few quid more on a DAB one as the BBC tell us its perfick
digital sound;!...
--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Well spend a few quid more on a DAB one as the BBC tell us its perfick
digital sound;!...

I had quite a crowd round for Xmas day with the deal being each couple
provided one of the courses. ;-)

So the kitchen was used heavily by different people from fairly early on.
Magic Radio was blasting out from the LS 3/5A there as that's what most
seemed to want and no-one said 'could you please change it to FM from DAB'
despite all having fairly decent systems at home.

I know it's similar to Keith G's postman or whatever but what the hell.

--
*All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Well spend a few quid more on a DAB one as the BBC tell us its perfick
digital sound;!...

I had quite a crowd round for Xmas day with the deal being each couple
provided one of the courses. ;-)

So the kitchen was used heavily by different people from fairly early on.
Magic Radio was blasting out from the LS 3/5A there as that's what most
seemed to want and no-one said 'could you please change it to FM from DAB'
despite all having fairly decent systems at home.

Well perhaps they were being polite...

--
Tony Sayer

In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Well spend a few quid more on a DAB one as the BBC tell us its perfick
digital sound;!...

I had quite a crowd round for Xmas day with the deal being each couple
provided one of the courses. ;-)

So the kitchen was used heavily by different people from fairly early
on. Magic Radio was blasting out from the LS 3/5A there as that's what
most seemed to want and no-one said 'could you please change it to FM
from DAB' despite all having fairly decent systems at home.

Well perhaps they were being polite...

You don't know them, then?

--
*Growing old is inevitable, growing up is optional *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Well spend a few quid more on a DAB one as the BBC tell us its perfick
digital sound;!...

I had quite a crowd round for Xmas day with the deal being each couple
provided one of the courses. ;-)

So the kitchen was used heavily by different people from fairly early on.
Magic Radio was blasting out from the LS 3/5A there as that's what most
seemed to want and no-one said 'could you please change it to FM from DAB'
despite all having fairly decent systems at home.

I know it's similar to Keith G's postman or whatever but what the hell.



Plowie's had my postman round for dinner? (How sweet - I like to see the
'lower orders' enjoying themselves! :-)

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Keith G wrote:

(WTF is 'Magic Radio'..??)

Maybe Magic FM may seem more familiar ? It's famous for playing 'golden oldie'
style popular music.

http://www.magic.co.uk/sectional.asp?id=18749

Graham

In article ,
Malcolm wrote:
You're 100% mistaken if you think you hearing hears things the same
from one day (or even hour) to the next. What you heard on any given
occasion may nor be readily reproducible. So 'belief' does come into
it.

For heaven's sake, even you *mood* can affect how you hear things ! It
certainly can with me.

The point I'm making is is that your hearing is unreliable. It can play
tricks on you. And that's the primary problem with subjectivism.

Graham

If your hearing is as bad as you suggest, you should stick to a £10
transistor radio for you listening enjoyment. Leave the hi-fi stuff to
those of us with rather more aural discernment.

At the end of the day there's a simple answer. If you really can hear
these differences you claim then you should be able to demonstrate them
reliably to others in proper tests. But of course no one ever can.

--
*Gaffer tape - The Force, light and dark sides - holds the universe together*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.