Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Ian Thompson-Bell" wrote

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls.

Can't have listened to very much then !


We had 15 inch
Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the sound
of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this day. Best
speakers ever invented IMHO.

**That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Speakers tend to be a
personal choice product. What works for one person, doesn't for another. I
don't like dual concentric speakers. Mind you: I am partial to a properly
executed and set up pair of ESLs.

Good Lord yes. ESLs completely wipe the floor with Tannoys. It's chalk and
cheese.

Graham

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board'
at Neve. That's one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project
leader. I could see they were heading for failure, and indeed it was so.

Neve produced generally good sounding designs, but the quality of some
components was dreadful. Switches, pots and relays mainly. Often wore out
after about 2 years broadcast use - not what you'd expect from top dollar
prices.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Having said that, I can't get excited about any dual concentric
driver I've ever heard. Including the much vaunted Tannoys.


Dunno why. The Tannoy Monitor Gold series are stunning in their stereo
stage management.

Yes - they could produce a stunning sound stage. One of the benefits of a
point source design.

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls. We had 15
inch Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the
sound of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this
day. Best speakers ever invented IMHO.

But in general I didn't like them. They could never produce natural speech
- too honky by far. IMHO down to the main unit being well out of range at
the top end. I'm not keen on any 15" driver that tries to go above about
300 Hz. I reckon the 12" ones sounded better.

My last permanent work place had Monitor Reds in the studios and dubbing
etc. Didn't like them either. And the Little Red Monitors they used
elsewhere were positively vile.

That's not to say Lockwoods weren't quite good in their day compared to
the opposition as pop monitors. But never in any way accurate.

--
*I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Eeyore wrote:

I'm not one for 'doffing my cap' in the usual English defential manner to those who like
to present themselves as my 'betters' who are actually clueless.

I never presented myself as your better - I quite clearly stated that is
was IMHO.


I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board' at Neve. That's
one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project leader. I could see they were heading
for failure, and indeed it was so.


When were you there?

Ian

Eeyore wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Ian Thompson-Bell" wrote

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls.

Can't have listened to very much then !



You really do have an annoying turn of phrase.

Ian

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board'
at Neve. That's one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project
leader. I could see they were heading for failure, and indeed it was so.

Neve produced generally good sounding designs, but the quality of some
components was dreadful. Switches, pots and relays mainly.

Funny considering they spent lots of money on pots and relays and stuck with
the same design of switch intentionally for decades.


Often wore out after about 2 years broadcast use - not what you'd expect
from top dollar
prices.

That's an atypical experience.

What console model(s) ?

Graham

Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I'm not one for 'doffing my cap' in the usual English defential manner to those who like
to present themselves as my 'betters' who are actually clueless.

I never presented myself as your better - I quite clearly stated that is
was IMHO.

I was referring to certain people at Neve.


I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board' at Neve. That's
one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project leader. I could see they were heading
for failure, and indeed it was so.

When were you there?

85-88.

Graham

Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:
"Ian Thompson-Bell" wrote

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls.

Can't have listened to very much then !


You really do have an annoying turn of phrase.

Well ... honestly .... if you're going to claim that Monitor Golds were
great speakers ....

Ever heard any PMCs btw ? Now THEY are worth taking the trouble to go
out of your way to audition.


Graham

In article , Eeyore rabbitsfriendsandrel
scribeth thus


Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

I'm not one for 'doffing my cap' in the usual English defential manner to
those who like
to present themselves as my 'betters' who are actually clueless.

I never presented myself as your better - I quite clearly stated that is
was IMHO.

I was referring to certain people at Neve.

Anyone in particular?..



I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board' at
Neve. That's
one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project leader. I could see they
were heading
for failure, and indeed it was so.

When were you there?

85-88.

Graham


--
Tony Sayer

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:
Trevor Wilson wrote:

Having said that, I can't get excited about any dual concentric
driver I've ever heard. Including the much vaunted Tannoys.


Dunno why. The Tannoy Monitor Gold series are stunning in their stereo
stage management.

Yes - they could produce a stunning sound stage. One of the benefits of a
point source design.

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls. We had 15
inch Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the
sound of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this
day. Best speakers ever invented IMHO.

But in general I didn't like them. They could never produce natural speech
- too honky by far. IMHO down to the main unit being well out of range at
the top end. I'm not keen on any 15" driver that tries to go above about
300 Hz. I reckon the 12" ones sounded better.

My last permanent work place had Monitor Reds in the studios and dubbing
etc. Didn't like them either. And the Little Red Monitors they used
elsewhere were positively vile.

That's not to say Lockwoods weren't quite good in their day compared to
the opposition as pop monitors. But never in any way accurate.

Yes but they don't want them for accuracy --impression-- is what's
required...


--
Tony Sayer