"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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It occurred to me when fitting some new car speakers that a dual
concentric design would be ideal for this use. But they all seem to have
tweeters just stuck on the front. Any reason why this design has fallen
out of favour?

**Perhaps people have finally discovered what I found a few decades ago:
They sound like ****. Given that midrange frequencies are being bounced
off the back of the tweeter, the result ends up sounding like a pig's
breakfast. I've never heard a decent dual concentric car speaker. Perhaps
it's due to the shockingly bad crossovers used. Maybe it's just the cheap,
crappy drivers.

Trevor Wilson
what about in home audio then......cant say ive liked the sound of any of
kef d/c designs that much

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"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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It occurred to me when fitting some new car speakers that a dual
concentric design would be ideal for this use. But they all seem to have
tweeters just stuck on the front. Any reason why this design has fallen
out of favour?

**Perhaps people have finally discovered what I found a few decades ago:
They sound like ****. Given that midrange frequencies are being bounced
off the back of the tweeter, the result ends up sounding like a pig's
breakfast. I've never heard a decent dual concentric car speaker. Perhaps
it's due to the shockingly bad crossovers used. Maybe it's just the
cheap, crappy drivers.

Trevor Wilson
what about in home audio then......cant say ive liked the sound of any of
kef d/c designs that much

**AFAIK, the KEF (and other) products don't bugger up the sound by placing
the tweeter in front of the bass/mid driver. Having said that, I can't get
excited about any dual concentric driver I've ever heard. Including the much
vaunted Tannoys.

Trevor Wilson

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Having said that, I can't get
excited about any dual concentric driver I've ever heard. Including the much
vaunted Tannoys.

Trevor Wilson



Dunno why. The Tannoy Monitor Gold series are stunning in their stereo
stage management. I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls. We had 15
inch Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the
sound of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this
day. Best speakers ever invented IMHO.

Cheers

Ian

Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

Trevor Wilson wrote:

Having said that, I can't get excited about any dual concentric driver I've
ever heard. Including the much vaunted Tannoys.


Dunno why. The Tannoy Monitor Gold series are stunning in their stereo
stage management. I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls.

Can't agree at all. To my ears the Reds actually sounded a little more natural.
The Golds seemed to squawk a bit to me.


We had 15 inch Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking
the
sound of consoles.

And rubbish they are too. Especially with all that polished wooden floor.
Lockwoods are vile cabinets. As you might expect from a coffin maker.


I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this
day. Best speakers ever invented IMHO.

You must be deaf. I got that impression about quite a few people at Neve,
especially those in the top jobs. Deaf, incompetent or just not bothered sums them
up.

Graahm

Eeyore wrote:


You must be deaf. I got that impression about quite a few people at Neve,
especially those in the top jobs. Deaf, incompetent or just not bothered sums them
up.



I am 57 now and I am beginning to go deaf. I certainly wasn't deaf in
the 70s - wish I could as well as that now.

Seems like you never had any manners though.

Nuff Said

Ian

Ian Thompson-Bell wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

You must be deaf. I got that impression about quite a few people at Neve,
especially those in the top jobs. Deaf, incompetent or just not bothered sums them
up.

I am 57 now and I am beginning to go deaf. I certainly wasn't deaf in
the 70s - wish I could as well as that now.

Seems like you never had any manners though.

I'm not one for 'doffing my cap' in the usual English defential manner to those who like
to present themselves as my 'betters' who are actually clueless. Paying homage to
ancient and miserable sounding Tannoys is another thing I won't stomach.

I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board' at Neve. That's
one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project leader. I could see they were heading
for failure, and indeed it was so.

Graham

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board'
at Neve. That's one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project
leader. I could see they were heading for failure, and indeed it was so.

Neve produced generally good sounding designs, but the quality of some
components was dreadful. Switches, pots and relays mainly. Often wore out
after about 2 years broadcast use - not what you'd expect from top dollar
prices.

--
*I'm planning to be spontaneous tomorrow *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Eeyore wrote:

I'm not one for 'doffing my cap' in the usual English defential manner to those who like
to present themselves as my 'betters' who are actually clueless.

I never presented myself as your better - I quite clearly stated that is
was IMHO.


I was appalled at the level of disinterest in audio within the 'board' at Neve. That's
one reason I quit after about 3 years as a project leader. I could see they were heading
for failure, and indeed it was so.


When were you there?

Ian

"Ian Thompson-Bell" wrote in message
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Trevor Wilson wrote:

Having said that, I can't get
excited about any dual concentric driver I've ever heard. Including the
much vaunted Tannoys.

Trevor Wilson

Dunno why.

**I do. They 'honk'.

The Tannoy Monitor Gold series are stunning in their stereo
stage management.

**Perhaps. They do so many other things wrong, though.

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls. We had 15 inch
Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the sound
of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this day. Best
speakers ever invented IMHO.

**That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Speakers tend to be a
personal choice product. What works for one person, doesn't for another. I
don't like dual concentric speakers. Mind you: I am partial to a properly
executed and set up pair of ESLs.

Trevor Wilson

Trevor Wilson wrote:

"Ian Thompson-Bell" wrote

I heard them a lot in UK studios in the 70s and the
only thing that came anywhere near then were the big JBls.

Can't have listened to very much then !


We had 15 inch
Golds in huge Lockwood cabinets on wheels at Neve for checking the sound
of consoles. I still use a pair of 2 inch Monitor Golds to this day. Best
speakers ever invented IMHO.

**That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. Speakers tend to be a
personal choice product. What works for one person, doesn't for another. I
don't like dual concentric speakers. Mind you: I am partial to a properly
executed and set up pair of ESLs.

Good Lord yes. ESLs completely wipe the floor with Tannoys. It's chalk and
cheese.

Graham