"Iain Churches" in
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Pray tell what 'technical' restrictions apply to TV compared to the
corporates you obviously know about?

I did just that in my previous post, so that you would
not need to ask. Perhaps they are better classed as
artistic restrictions, in the "No point in doing that,
because no-one is gonna hear it on TV" class:-)

I don't understand that! I'm sure I'm not alone in using my "TV" [1] merely
as a monitor off my Nicam stereo "hi-fi" VCR, and running the sound through a
Dolby Prologic (or quality stereo, depending on the room) amp [2], as I have
for at least the last 15 years ... I haven't even bothered with 5.1+ etc. yet,
but I certainly appreciate good sound on programmes where it exists!

RdM

The previous post:

Few dubbing jobs are "top movies". Dolby surround mixes for
corporate programmes are fun, but TV has both technical
and budget restrictions. (Before you ask - there is little point
building up complex and subtle layers of ambience and low
level FX which no one will ever hear from TV)

[1] I don't even have a working "TV". Only monitors.
[2] Amplifier, not just some cheap "receiver"!

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"Iain Churches" in
. saunalahti.fi:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Pray tell what 'technical' restrictions apply to TV compared to the
corporates you obviously know about?

I did just that in my previous post, so that you would
not need to ask. Perhaps they are better classed as
artistic restrictions, in the "No point in doing that,
because no-one is gonna hear it on TV" class:-)

I don't understand that! I'm sure I'm not alone in using my "TV" [1]
merely
as a monitor off my Nicam stereo "hi-fi" VCR, and running the sound
through a
Dolby Prologic (or quality stereo, depending on the room) amp [2], as I
have
for at least the last 15 years ... I haven't even bothered with 5.1+ etc.
yet,
but I certainly appreciate good sound on programmes where it exists!



It is not to do with the sound being good. Of course
the sound must be good:-))

Film sound editors are accustomed to laying
down multiple layered tracks of ambience for example.
Perhaps the barely perceptible rumble of traffic,
a passing train far away, a birdsong -
that kind of thing. These are all set well below the
ambience of the room in an internal shot.

The chances are they will not be heard during a normal
living room viewing, and so, in the limited time that is
available (the bean counters set the budget) they are
left for something much more important - dialogue,
music editing etc etc.

Sound sync is the bean counter's friend. The dialogue
comes complete with ambience:-)

Cheers
Iain

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Iain Churches wrote:
Sound sync is the bean counter's friend. The dialogue
comes complete with ambience:-)

I presume you mean 'sync sound'? Ie actors actually acting?

Only some twisted freak would prefer post sync'd dialogue under any
circumstances where there is a choice.

Just for your information Iain - it is more costly to obtain good location
sound than to post sync it in many cases. The bean counters might be
responsible for many reduced standards - but this isn't one of them.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article i,

Just for your information Iain - it is more costly to obtain good location
sound than to post sync it in many cases. The bean counters might be
responsible for many reduced standards - but this isn't one of them.

So you ask the talent to mime, and post record it???:-)

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RdM wrote:
"Iain Churches" in
. saunalahti.fi:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote
Pray tell what 'technical' restrictions apply to TV compared to the
corporates you obviously know about?

I did just that in my previous post, so that you would
not need to ask. Perhaps they are better classed as
artistic restrictions, in the "No point in doing that,
because no-one is gonna hear it on TV" class:-)

I don't understand that! I'm sure I'm not alone in using my "TV" [1]
merely as a monitor off my Nicam stereo "hi-fi" VCR, and running the
sound through a Dolby Prologic (or quality stereo, depending on the
room) amp [2], as I have for at least the last 15 years ... I haven't
even bothered with 5.1+ etc. yet, but I certainly appreciate good sound
on programmes where it exists!

Absolutely. I haven't used the internal amp/speaker on my 'main' TV setup
since I got my first colour set in approx '70. It had dreadful internal
sound like most of the era, so ignoring the warranty implications modified
it to provide a line output - not so simple a task in those days of live
chassis. Those who criticise TV sound do so without realising the faults
are often with their own receiver. The chain used from source to
transmitter is near enough the same as any decent radio one.

Of course the quality of the material played over that chain varies
enormously. But then so does much else on any medium.

RdM

The previous post:

Few dubbing jobs are "top movies". Dolby surround mixes for
corporate programmes are fun, but TV has both technical
and budget restrictions. (Before you ask - there is little point
building up complex and subtle layers of ambience and low
level FX which no one will ever hear from TV)

[1] I don't even have a working "TV". Only monitors.
[2] Amplifier, not just some cheap "receiver"!

Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it and
was rejected.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it and
was rejected.

It would have been a very last resort. Happily there were
a large number of, what were in my view, better options.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it and
was rejected.

Now you have got me thinking. I didn't even
consider TV sound.

I come from a military family. I passed the
Welbeck entrance exam, so Sandhurst could
have been the next move. I might have enjoyed
being a subaltern in the King's Own Herbaceous
Borderers:-)

My first career choice was professional
musician, but I wanted to eat regularly.

So a career on the other side of the control
room window seemed more attractive.

I have never regretted my choice.

Iain

In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it
and was rejected.

Now you have got me thinking. I didn't even
consider TV sound.

I come from a military family. I passed the
Welbeck entrance exam, so Sandhurst could
have been the next move. I might have enjoyed
being a subaltern in the King's Own Herbaceous
Borderers:-)

My first career choice was professional
musician, but I wanted to eat regularly.

So a career on the other side of the control
room window seemed more attractive.

I have never regretted my choice.

That's nice for you. So just accept that others may also prefer to work in
different parts of the industry. And don't look down your nose at them in
quite such an obvious way.

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*Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it *

Dave Plowman London SW
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article i,
Iain Churches wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Iain is rather snobbish about TV sound. Perhaps he wanted a job in it
and was rejected.

Now you have got me thinking. I didn't even
consider TV sound.

I come from a military family. I passed the
Welbeck entrance exam, so Sandhurst could
have been the next move. I might have enjoyed
being a subaltern in the King's Own Herbaceous
Borderers:-)

My first career choice was professional
musician, but I wanted to eat regularly.

So a career on the other side of the control
room window seemed more attractive.

I have never regretted my choice.

That's nice for you. So just accept that others may also prefer to work in
different parts of the industry. And don't look down your nose at them in
quite such an obvious way.


Ay oop! Plowie's trying impose restrictions on Iain's 'looking down his
nose' activities!

(Seems he never learned that one has to earn the respect of others and that
it's no good just whining about feeling hard done by...?!)

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Keith G wrote:
That's nice for you. So just accept that others may also prefer to
work in different parts of the industry. And don't look down your nose
at them in quite such an obvious way.


Ay oop! Plowie's trying impose restrictions on Iain's 'looking down his
nose' activities!

I seek to impose restrictions on nobody, Keithie baby. Just fair comment.

(Seems he never learned that one has to earn the respect of others and
that it's no good just whining about feeling hard done by...?!)

You certainly need to earn some respect after having your arse kicked all
the way across the Atlantic...

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*Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment *

Dave Plowman London SW
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