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Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they
ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:49:35 -0000, "Doki" wrote:
Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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Doki wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... IIRC all that has happened is a firm date to start *talking* about if and when it will be switched off. My guess is a long long way off - if at all. You can 'sell' FreeView through widescreen and a much larger choice of progs than analogue - and even better reception for most for say CH5. But no similar arguments with DAB v FM. -- *I believe five out of four people have trouble with fractions. * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:49:35 -0000, "Doki" wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com I certainly haven't heard of any plans to switch off FM. I can't see the commercial stations accepting this until it can be proved that the digital audience is far bigger than the analogue FM audience. I would guess the analogue listener hours would have to be below 10% of the digital listener hours before they would even consider it. They wouldn't tolerate even a temporary drop in listener figures. S. -- http://audiopages.googlepages.com |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Doki wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... IIRC all that has happened is a firm date to start *talking* about if and when it will be switched off. My guess is a long long way off - if at all. You can 'sell' FreeView through widescreen and a much larger choice of progs than analogue - and even better reception for most for say CH5. But no similar arguments with DAB v FM. I think that's about right. Also, I've been looking at buying a second hand car recently, and all of them made in the last 5 years have a custom/modular FM radio - several million cars in the UK? Mind you, if someone could figure out how to adapt these radios easily and cheaply there's a good few quid to be made at some point. Rob |
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"Rob" wrote in message
... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Doki wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... IIRC all that has happened is a firm date to start *talking* about if and when it will be switched off. My guess is a long long way off - if at all. You can 'sell' FreeView through widescreen and a much larger choice of progs than analogue - and even better reception for most for say CH5. But no similar arguments with DAB v FM. I think that's about right. Also, I've been looking at buying a second hand car recently, and all of them made in the last 5 years have a custom/modular FM radio - several million cars in the UK? Mind you, if someone could figure out how to adapt these radios easily and cheaply there's a good few quid to be made at some point. Rob Already there. There is a housing replacement for most custom-fit car radios to convert them to standard DIN size, and usually the interface cabling as well. Go have a browse in Halfords some time and you'll see what I mean. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:19:34 GMT, "Woody" wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Doki wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... IIRC all that has happened is a firm date to start *talking* about if and when it will be switched off. My guess is a long long way off - if at all. You can 'sell' FreeView through widescreen and a much larger choice of progs than analogue - and even better reception for most for say CH5. But no similar arguments with DAB v FM. I think that's about right. Also, I've been looking at buying a second hand car recently, and all of them made in the last 5 years have a custom/modular FM radio - several million cars in the UK? Mind you, if someone could figure out how to adapt these radios easily and cheaply there's a good few quid to be made at some point. Rob Already there. There is a housing replacement for most custom-fit car radios to convert them to standard DIN size, and usually the interface cabling as well. Go have a browse in Halfords some time and you'll see what I mean. You need two separate items, the facia adaptor and the wiring harness adaptor. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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In article , Doki
scribeth thus Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... Shouldn't worry about it, with the way digital broadcasting isn't going in the UK.. Medium and Long wave are still here with us long after FM was invented!... The real reason is that theres sod all spectrum to be auctioned off, for that read backdoor tax, by the guvverement;!... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Serge Auckland
scribeth thus "Don Pearce" wrote in message ... On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:49:35 -0000, "Doki" wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com I certainly haven't heard of any plans to switch off FM. I can't see the commercial stations accepting this until it can be proved that the digital audience is far bigger than the analogue FM audience. I would guess the analogue listener hours would have to be below 10% of the digital listener hours before they would even consider it. They wouldn't tolerate even a temporary drop in listener figures. S. And hardly any new cars are being fitted with DAB radios!... -- Tony Sayer |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
... On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:19:34 GMT, "Woody" wrote: "Rob" wrote in message ... Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Doki wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... IIRC all that has happened is a firm date to start *talking* about if and when it will be switched off. My guess is a long long way off - if at all. You can 'sell' FreeView through widescreen and a much larger choice of progs than analogue - and even better reception for most for say CH5. But no similar arguments with DAB v FM. I think that's about right. Also, I've been looking at buying a second hand car recently, and all of them made in the last 5 years have a custom/modular FM radio - several million cars in the UK? Mind you, if someone could figure out how to adapt these radios easily and cheaply there's a good few quid to be made at some point. Rob Already there. There is a housing replacement for most custom-fit car radios to convert them to standard DIN size, and usually the interface cabling as well. Go have a browse in Halfords some time and you'll see what I mean. You need two separate items, the facia adaptor and the wiring harness adaptor. d That's what I said - do you really need to duplicate it? For the record you may need two, even three wiring harness adapters. -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:28:13 GMT, "Woody" wrote:
Already there. There is a housing replacement for most custom-fit car radios to convert them to standard DIN size, and usually the interface cabling as well. Go have a browse in Halfords some time and you'll see what I mean. You need two separate items, the facia adaptor and the wiring harness adaptor. d That's what I said - do you really need to duplicate it? Just supplying the terminology Halfords use - makes finding stuff easier. For the record you may need two, even three wiring harness adapters. How does that work? d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Don Pearce wrote: On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:49:35 -0000, "Doki" wrote: Does anyone know much about this? Is anyone kicking up a stink yet? If they ever get round to it, I'll have umpteen useless radios (two or three in various sheds, one in every car, two attached to the hifis etc.), which is rather worse than a couple of tellys requiring adaptor boxes. I really can't see people being pleased at having to fork out for new car radios at £100 a pop. Or the pretty much sure to happen increase of desirable to DAB radios to car theives... Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. Some car radios are built into the dash (into the car's SYSTEM even) are all but totally unreplacable ! Graham |
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Eeyore wrote: Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. Some car radios are built into the dash (into the car's SYSTEM even) are all but totally unreplacable ! One of mine is like that - a sort of double height unit where all the minor controls and tape player are behind a flap above basically the radio part. Much easier to use than fiddling through menus to find balance controls etc. But you can buy adaptor plates to allow the use of a standard radio. -- *When did my wild oats turn to prunes and all bran? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:51:00 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: In article , Eeyore wrote: Has it even been scheduled? I didn't think there was a plan yet for FM switchoff - unlike UHF TV, of course. Car radios are the problem - they aren't as easily modded or replaced as TVs. Some car radios are built into the dash (into the car's SYSTEM even) are all but totally unreplacable ! One of mine is like that - a sort of double height unit where all the minor controls and tape player are behind a flap above basically the radio part. Much easier to use than fiddling through menus to find balance controls etc. But you can buy adaptor plates to allow the use of a standard radio. Mine has an extra problem, which is that it displays channel, CD track info etc remotely on the dash in front of me. I'm pretty sure that would cease working if I substituted another radio. And of course it has the CD changer at the back of the car. I'm certain that would mean a heap of trouble. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:43:57 +0000, Eeyore
wrote: Some car radios are built into the dash (into the car's SYSTEM even) are all but totally unreplacable ! It's a rare car that won't accept a standard radio in the same slot as the original, maybe with an adapter plate. You might even be pleasantly surprised how many remote control functions still work - today's standard connecter is a complex beast! Google "ISO 10487" if you're interested. |
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Don Pearce wrote: One of mine is like that - a sort of double height unit where all the minor controls and tape player are behind a flap above basically the radio part. Much easier to use than fiddling through menus to find balance controls etc. But you can buy adaptor plates to allow the use of a standard radio. Mine has an extra problem, which is that it displays channel, CD track info etc remotely on the dash in front of me. I'm pretty sure that would cease working if I substituted another radio. And of course it has the CD changer at the back of the car. I'm certain that would mean a heap of trouble. It depends on the car and the popularity of replacing the head unit. Interfaces to make this remote display - or steering wheel controls etc - work do exist for some. You'd have to first select the head unit you're interested in and see if they are available. Remote CD players are less of a problem - but again not all makers use the same protocol to drive them. -- *Marriage changes passion - suddenly you're in bed with a relative* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , Don Pearce wrote: One of mine is like that - a sort of double height unit where all the minor controls and tape player are behind a flap above basically the radio part. Much easier to use than fiddling through menus to find balance controls etc. But you can buy adaptor plates to allow the use of a standard radio. Mine has an extra problem, which is that it displays channel, CD track info etc remotely on the dash in front of me. I'm pretty sure that would cease working if I substituted another radio. And of course it has the CD changer at the back of the car. I'm certain that would mean a heap of trouble. It depends on the car and the popularity of replacing the head unit. Interfaces to make this remote display - or steering wheel controls etc - work do exist for some. You'd have to first select the head unit you're interested in and see if they are available. Remote CD players are less of a problem - but again not all makers use the same protocol to drive them. As maybe .. But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They just won't bother with DAB.. And all the rep mobiles and commercials, HGV's etc aren't going to be changed are they?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer
wrote: As maybe .. But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They just won't bother with DAB.. Hear hear! d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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tony sayer wrote: It depends on the car and the popularity of replacing the head unit. Interfaces to make this remote display - or steering wheel controls etc - work do exist for some. You'd have to first select the head unit you're interested in and see if they are available. Remote CD players are less of a problem - but again not all makers use the same protocol to drive them. As maybe .. Well you did ask. ;-) But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. You could say the same about FM - it was perhaps 20 years before FM receivers became common in cars. And in that case there was a very real advantage in having them. They just won't bother with DAB.. They might if buying a new unit for other reasons. But of course not that many do these days. And all the rep mobiles and commercials, HGV's etc aren't going to be changed are they?.. Why would they be? There will be plenty warning about any switch off date giving time for makers to fit them as standard - rep mobiles are changed every three years or so. -- *On the other hand, you have different fingers* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Don Pearce wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer wrote: As maybe .. But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They just won't bother with DAB.. Hear hear! Well I did when buying a new radio for the old car and think it was worth it. The reception round London is far better than FM - and without that annoying multi-path distortion that plagues mobile FM reception. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. -- *I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't care. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer
wrote: But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They'll go to a shop and say "I fancy one of those new DAB radios. Can you slot one in here?" The shop will say "Yes" or "No". Probably "Yes", as they have the necessary adapters to hand. |
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"Laurence Payne" NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com wrote in message ... On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer wrote: But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They'll go to a shop and say "I fancy one of those new DAB radios. Can you slot one in here?" The shop will say "Yes" or "No". Probably "Yes", as they have the necessary adapters to hand. What proportion of the car-owning population is going to go to the trouble and expense of doing that? A negligible proportion IMO. A much more pertinent question is how many new cars are being factory-fitted with DAB radios? David |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , Don Pearce wrote: On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer wrote: As maybe .. But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They just won't bother with DAB.. Hear hear! Well I did when buying a new radio for the old car and think it was worth it. The reception round London is far better than FM - and without that annoying multi-path distortion that plagues mobile FM reception. Around -your- bit of London.. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: It depends on the car and the popularity of replacing the head unit. Interfaces to make this remote display - or steering wheel controls etc - work do exist for some. You'd have to first select the head unit you're interested in and see if they are available. Remote CD players are less of a problem - but again not all makers use the same protocol to drive them. As maybe .. Well you did ask. ;-) But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. You could say the same about FM - it was perhaps 20 years before FM receivers became common in cars. And in that case there was a very real advantage in having them. They just won't bother with DAB.. They might if buying a new unit for other reasons. But of course not that many do these days. And all the rep mobiles and commercials, HGV's etc aren't going to be changed are they?.. Why would they be? There will be plenty warning about any switch off date giving time for makers to fit them as standard - rep mobiles are changed every three years or so. Yes Dave .. but FM switch off will be a long time away. And what's the driver for it?. TV spectrum being flogged off maybe, but the FM band?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Laurence Payne
NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com@?.? scribeth thus On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer wrote: But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They'll go to a shop and say "I fancy one of those new DAB radios. Can you slot one in here?" The shop will say "Yes" or "No". Probably "Yes", as they have the necessary adapters to hand. The mass market?, repmobiles HGV's etc..hardley think so... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , David Looser
scribeth thus "Laurence Payne" NOSPAMlpayne1ATdsl.pipex.com wrote in message .. . On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 14:02:28 +0000, tony sayer wrote: But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They'll go to a shop and say "I fancy one of those new DAB radios. Can you slot one in here?" The shop will say "Yes" or "No". Probably "Yes", as they have the necessary adapters to hand. What proportion of the car-owning population is going to go to the trouble and expense of doing that? A negligible proportion IMO. A much more pertinent question is how many new cars are being factory-fitted with DAB radios? David Bu**er all David IIRC Vauxhall Astra's have them?.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message
... Yes Dave .. but FM switch off will be a long time away. And what's the driver for it?. TV spectrum being flogged off maybe, but the FM band?.. -- There was an item about this on "You & Yours" a while back. The Ofcom spokesperson said that they were keen to switch off analogue radio because of the cost to broadcasters of having to run parallel DAB and FM transmitter networks. It seems a pretty feeble excuse to me, those costs are negligible compared to the cost to the public of having to replace existing radios. David. |
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On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:30:25 -0000, "David Looser"
wrote: But the problem is how many people will go to all the bother to change the factory fit units?. They'll go to a shop and say "I fancy one of those new DAB radios. Can you slot one in here?" The shop will say "Yes" or "No". Probably "Yes", as they have the necessary adapters to hand. What proportion of the car-owning population is going to go to the trouble and expense of doing that? A negligible proportion IMO. A much more pertinent question is how many new cars are being factory-fitted with DAB radios? I have a very ordinary vehicle which came with a very ordinary radio. I recently spent a very moderate amount on replacing it. The shop fitted it for "free". After watching it done, I'm glad I didn't shop around for a discount price and self-install. They had the necessary adapters and the expertise. If there had been an affordable DAB unit on offer, I'd have considered it. |
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tony sayer wrote: Well I did when buying a new radio for the old car and think it was worth it. The reception round London is far better than FM - and without that annoying multi-path distortion that plagues mobile FM reception. Around -your- bit of London.. 'My bit' must include as far as Hampstead, then. Noticed some horrendous multi-path there just the other day. On R3. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. Doncha love people commenting on things they have no experience of? No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. Dunno why you're asking me that. I never said it was. -- *Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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tony sayer wrote: And all the rep mobiles and commercials, HGV's etc aren't going to be changed are they?.. Why would they be? There will be plenty warning about any switch off date giving time for makers to fit them as standard - rep mobiles are changed every three years or so. Yes Dave .. but FM switch off will be a long time away. And what's the driver for it?. Err, why are you asking me? Did you read my response to the OP? After that I was merely answering questions or points put to me, as it were. TV spectrum being flogged off maybe, but the FM band?.. As I said I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future. -- *All men are idiots, and I married their King. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: Well I did when buying a new radio for the old car and think it was worth it. The reception round London is far better than FM - and without that annoying multi-path distortion that plagues mobile FM reception. Around -your- bit of London.. 'My bit' must include as far as Hampstead, then. Noticed some horrendous multi-path there just the other day. On R3. You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. Doncha love people commenting on things they have no experience of? Well I have spent quite a bit of time in that car using that but the point is thats one of only Two cars fitted anyway!.. No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. Dunno why you're asking me that. I never said it was. OK perhaps you didn't but the point still stands... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: And all the rep mobiles and commercials, HGV's etc aren't going to be changed are they?.. Why would they be? There will be plenty warning about any switch off date giving time for makers to fit them as standard - rep mobiles are changed every three years or so. Yes Dave .. but FM switch off will be a long time away. And what's the driver for it?. Err, why are you asking me? Did you read my response to the OP? Just a discussion point;).. After that I was merely answering questions or points put to me, as it were. TV spectrum being flogged off maybe, but the FM band?.. As I said I don't think it will happen in the foreseeable future. Fine... -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote: Around -your- bit of London.. 'My bit' must include as far as Hampstead, then. Noticed some horrendous multi-path there just the other day. On R3. You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. Driving round most cities with tall buildings or hilly terrain will reveal multi-path spots. And London has lots of both. I've not heard the bubbling mud effect on the car radio so far. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. Doncha love people commenting on things they have no experience of? Well I have spent quite a bit of time in that car using that but the point is thats one of only Two cars fitted anyway!.. Right. Then would you say the reception was in general better than FM? Or any other comment? The 'audio quality' one has been done to death - but some might find experience of the mobile reception of use to them. No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. Dunno why you're asking me that. I never said it was. OK perhaps you didn't but the point still stands... The point still stands that FM took ages to achieve 'mass market penetration' too - despite its obvious advantages in some ways. -- *I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 26 Jan 2008 13:51:13 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: The point still stands that FM took ages to achieve 'mass market penetration' too - despite its obvious advantages in some ways. But things were different when FM was being introduced. The Beeb was all there was, and it was a company led by engineering and quality. There was no huge pressure to get it rolled out in a hurry. Contrast that with today's situation, where if you haven't turned a profit in a year your backers will walk away. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. I assume we are talking DAB here? And how come you can get problems of Holme Moss when the main transmitter for that area for DAB is Emley Moor? If on the other hand we are talking FM then you must have a receiver problem as HM is line of sight at Lofthouse! -- Woody harrogate three at ntlworld dot com |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus In article , tony sayer wrote: Around -your- bit of London.. 'My bit' must include as far as Hampstead, then. Noticed some horrendous multi-path there just the other day. On R3. You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. Driving round most cities with tall buildings or hilly terrain will reveal multi-path spots. And London has lots of both. I've not heard the bubbling mud effect on the car radio so far. Well there are other bit's of the known universe north of the people's republicke of Balham;).. Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. Doncha love people commenting on things they have no experience of? Well I have spent quite a bit of time in that car using that but the point is thats one of only Two cars fitted anyway!.. Right. Then would you say the reception was in general better than FM? Or any other comment? The 'audio quality' one has been done to death - but some might find experience of the mobile reception of use to them. It should all things be equal as it and ODFM were designed for mobile use .. but here we have the stupid situation of Cars coming off the production line/s without the DAB band being fitted!.. And OK lets not do the sound quality issue.. We know that ****e cubed anyways.... No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. Dunno why you're asking me that. I never said it was. OK perhaps you didn't but the point still stands... The point still stands that FM took ages to achieve 'mass market penetration' too - despite its obvious advantages in some ways. Dave.. In those days they didn't have the semiconductors like we do now!.. If modern semiconductor fabrication had been around then it would have caught on much much sooner.... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article , Woody
scribeth thus You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. I assume we are talking DAB here? And how come you can get problems of Holme Moss when the main transmitter for that area for DAB is Emley Moor? If on the other hand we are talking FM then you must have a receiver problem as HM is line of sight at Lofthouse! Now it was just to point out for comrade Dave's benefit that multipath does exist other than in London. There is a bit near the junction of the M62 with the A1 just on the way to Manchester... -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote: You can find a bit of that in Yorkshire off Holme Moss near the junction of the M62 with the M1. Mind you there is an awful lot of the country that doesn't have this problem. DAB has problems too its rather susceptible to lift conditions as well as the "bubblin" mud;!.. Driving round most cities with tall buildings or hilly terrain will reveal multi-path spots. And London has lots of both. I've not heard the bubbling mud effect on the car radio so far. Well there are other bit's of the known universe north of the people's republicke of Balham;).. Ignoring the apostrophe abuse for the minute;-) I mentioned London, not Balham. Nor is London the only city with tall buildings and hills. But perhaps you've not noticed? Which to me in a car sounds far worse than low bitrates on DAB. To you maybe.. but your one of only Two people I know who have DAB in their cars, both after fits, and the other one is a Radio station manager.. Doncha love people commenting on things they have no experience of? Well I have spent quite a bit of time in that car using that but the point is thats one of only Two cars fitted anyway!.. Right. Then would you say the reception was in general better than FM? Or any other comment? The 'audio quality' one has been done to death - but some might find experience of the mobile reception of use to them. It should all things be equal as it and ODFM were designed for mobile use .. but here we have the stupid situation of Cars coming off the production line/s without the DAB band being fitted!.. And? You can still buy TV sets without a Freeview tuner. Despite there being a definite date for the analogue switch off. And OK lets not do the sound quality issue.. We know that ****e cubed anyways.... So you keep on saying - but then apparently can't hear multi-path on FM in your car. No one else I know of has DAB in their Car. Two have fixed table receivers mains driven... Hardly mass market penetration is it?.. Dunno why you're asking me that. I never said it was. OK perhaps you didn't but the point still stands... The point still stands that FM took ages to achieve 'mass market penetration' too - despite its obvious advantages in some ways. Dave.. In those days they didn't have the semiconductors like we do now!.. And? If modern semiconductor fabrication had been around then it would have caught on much much sooner.... I doubt it. Makers charge what the market will stand - no relation to the manufacturing costs. -- *Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , tony sayer
wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) scribeth thus The point still stands that FM took ages to achieve 'mass market penetration' too - despite its obvious advantages in some ways. Dave.. In those days they didn't have the semiconductors like we do now!.. The coverage for FM and stereo on FM took many years to spread across the bulk of the UK. So anyone making a product for advertising/sale across the UK would have been handicapped by that. Plus, outside the magic circle (London and the SE) the TXs were often fed with poor landlines or via master-slave TX links, with dubious results. During that time the BBC and government seemed far more interested in TV and then colour TV. As often, sound radio was treated like a daft uncle. Ignored whenever possible, and humoured with the minimum of attention when necessery. So I suspect one reason for the slow takeup was the slow and poor roll out of decent availability. I also can't recall much in the way of publicity. However I do agree that good FM reception places significant demands on the reception conditions and the antenna/RX combination. Fortunately, mono for portables is less demanding. Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html |
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