"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

"Eeyore" wrote
Iain Churches wrote:

I would be interested to buy good second-hand VU meters by
Ernest Turner or Sifam.

Ernest Turner
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...tTurner702.jpg

Sifam
http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches...SIFAM_AL20.jpg

Those SIFAMs are current product. In fact they only made them like that
to pander to modern 'retro' styling !

I have spoken with Sifam about these, and asked
for a quote. They still make the retro AL20

There's no STILL about it. It's a NEW(ish) product from Sifam made to
cater
for the NEW fad for retro styling.

because it was used in a large percentage of UK
built studio and broadcast equipment

Total nonsense. Sounds like a sales person was leading you up the garden
path. All the UK consoles I've ever seen have the AL19,29,39 / 22,32,42AF
style meter´

It may not be the original, I don't know, but AL20 seems to be a direct
replacement for the round Sifam VU used in the Leevers Rich,
and also some versions of the Vortexion H4 series mixer.

Just ask them how long it's been in the catalogue.

Who cares. I am just glad it is available now:-)

Do you know a source for any Ernest Turner meters, Graham?

Regards
Iain

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Sifam seem to be a strange company - I contacted them about a
replacement or repair for the meter on a Ferrograph test set and got a
pretty unhelpful reply.

Unhelpful in what way ? Do you expect a large company to be interested in
making a loss on a one-off repair ?

Of course not. I just wanted to do business with them in the normal way.
They didn't seem interested. Not my usual experience of a small UK company.

When you say 'repair' what bits are you looking for ?

Graham

Iain Churches wrote:

Do you know a source for any Ernest Turner meters, Graham?

Certainly no idea off the top of my head.

You could ask these guys though. They have lots of old kit kicking around.
http://www.proaudioeurope.com/3/home

Graham

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Sifam seem to be a strange company - I contacted them about a
replacement or repair for the meter on a Ferrograph test set and
got a pretty unhelpful reply.

Unhelpful in what way ? Do you expect a large company to be
interested in making a loss on a one-off repair ?

Of course not. I just wanted to do business with them in the normal
way. They didn't seem interested. Not my usual experience of a small
UK company.

When you say 'repair' what bits are you looking for ?

The meter movement was open circuit. I contacted them to find out if they
could either repair or supply a replacement. The chap I spoke to was very
off hand - talking about obsolete gear - and never got back to me. I
eventually got a similar movement off Ebay and swopped the scale.

To give the full story I'd bought a good but very tatty RTS2 only from a
place I used to work at. And bought several more off Ebay if I could get
them at a decent price - working or not. And eventually ended up with a
mint set including the monitor unit. . Sold all the others after repair
etc at a reasonable profit.

--
*I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don't care.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Iain Churches wrote:

Do you know a source for any Ernest Turner meters, Graham?

Certainly no idea off the top of my head.

You could ask these guys though. They have lots of old kit kicking around.
http://www.proaudioeurope.com/3/home


They have some interesting goodies there.including a
Neve V, a Neve 80, an AMS Neve MMC1
and a Neumann VMS70 lathe.

Iain

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:14:24 +0000, Audix wrote:

I know the Decca PPM and have a pair of them. Mine use Ernest Turner
703 movements, scaled from -30 to +18dB. The drive amps to go with
them are a custom Decca job too. I have also seen an Ernest Turner
early twin movement with Decca scales. I have never seen a formal
specification of the Decca PPM.

Not a BBC scale then? Remember the BBC engineering version of the
motto: "Nation shall peak 6 unto nation"

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

Audix wrote:

I know the Decca PPM and have a pair of them. Mine use Ernest Turner
703 movements, scaled from -30 to +18dB. The drive amps to go with
them are a custom Decca job too. I have also seen an Ernest Turner
early twin movement with Decca scales. I have never seen a formal
specification of the Decca PPM.

Not a BBC scale then?

Doesn't sound like it. 48dB dynamic range on a meter is pretty good.

Graham

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 13:14:24 +0000, Audix wrote:

I know the Decca PPM and have a pair of them. Mine use Ernest Turner
703 movements, scaled from -30 to +18dB. The drive amps to go with
them are a custom Decca job too. I have also seen an Ernest Turner
early twin movement with Decca scales. I have never seen a formal
specification of the Decca PPM.

Not a BBC scale then? Remember the BBC engineering version of the
motto: "Nation shall peak 6 unto nation"


I was told that the BBC type PPM was actually first
used by Decca. I have also seen this mentioned
somewhere on the web, by Tony Griffiths I think,
but I do not have a link.

But the Decca PPM as such had an Ernest Turner
meter with the red segment starting at +8dBm.
IIRC It had a rise time of 10mS and a slow decay
(2 secs) They was also a later faster
version with the peak level marked at +12dBm.

Iain

"Eeyore" wrote in message
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Don Pearce wrote:

Audix wrote:

I know the Decca PPM and have a pair of them. Mine use Ernest Turner
703 movements, scaled from -30 to +18dB. The drive amps to go with
them are a custom Decca job too. I have also seen an Ernest Turner
early twin movement with Decca scales. I have never seen a formal
specification of the Decca PPM.

Not a BBC scale then?

Doesn't sound like it. 48dB dynamic range on a meter is pretty good.


And not the same as the EBU scale either, which is like the BBC one, but
calibrated in dB, from -22dB to +4dB, with 0dB equal to 6 on the BBC scale.

Yes, a 48dB dynamic range on a meter is impressive, but possibly less useful
in a broadcast environment.

David.

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
ti.fi...



But the Decca PPM as such had an Ernest Turner
meter with the red segment starting at +8dBm.
IIRC It had a rise time of 10mS and a slow decay
(2 secs) They was also a later faster
version with the peak level marked at +12dBm.


Is the Decca PPM actually marked in dBm, rather than just dB?.

David.