In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:
I really wouldn't worry about AM or FM being shut down for a long
time yet. What is far more likely to happen is that the current sorry
mess that is DAB (Dead And Buried) will eventually give way to DAB +
using a much better CODEC .. but then again all these transmission
systems have to be paid for and they aren't cheap hence the recent
shut down by GCap media of the Jazz and Planet rock and core none of
which were making any money.

And there's absolutely no reason to believe that DAB + will be any more
successful than the present DAB. There are already more than enough DAB
receivers in use to make any station profitable - if it gains a large
enough audience to attract advertisers.


Course that well known commercial radio medjia analyst Dave is in charge
of GCap media now!.

Nice. Are you, then? And is it really a good idea to take any note of what
a failed company says? After all if they knew the answers they wouldn't
have failed...

One thing their new guvnor saw as a glaring omission was the lack of
mobile in car audience which is still a terrestrial radio stronghold
despite ipod's and MP3 players and the like.

And just how will DAB+ alter this?

As sod all, less then 1%, of new vehicles let alone cars have DAB as
standard fit, they couldn't reach an important part of the audience with
these stations. That added to the high costs of DAB transmission, and it
doesn't matter if you own the MUX you still have to pay Arquiva, it
wasn't profitable.

Err, Jazz FM was on what? Did that fail too due to high transmitter
rental? Or just a lack of audience?

When the car makers do start fitting DAB radios preferable to a modern
standard as DAB version 1 is out of date, then that situation might
change.

But cheapskates like you won't pay any extra for a car radio.

They, GCap, would do away with their other services on DAB tomorrow if
they could but the Transmission contracts don't run out till 2012 so
their stuck with the white heffalump till then;(..

You're in their confidence, are you?

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
scribeth thus
In article , tony sayer
wrote:
I really wouldn't worry about AM or FM being shut down for a long
time yet. What is far more likely to happen is that the current sorry
mess that is DAB (Dead And Buried) will eventually give way to DAB +
using a much better CODEC .. but then again all these transmission
systems have to be paid for and they aren't cheap hence the recent
shut down by GCap media of the Jazz and Planet rock and core none of
which were making any money.

And there's absolutely no reason to believe that DAB + will be any more
successful than the present DAB. There are already more than enough DAB
receivers in use to make any station profitable - if it gains a large
enough audience to attract advertisers.


Course that well known commercial radio medjia analyst Dave is in charge
of GCap media now!.

Nice. Are you, then? And is it really a good idea to take any note of what
a failed company says? After all if they knew the answers they wouldn't
have failed...

Nope .. they haven't failed just that former CEO has been replaced by
one who isn't so overwhelmed by the digital hogwash and seen that their
****ing money away with DAB..


One thing their new guvnor saw as a glaring omission was the lack of
mobile in car audience which is still a terrestrial radio stronghold
despite ipod's and MP3 players and the like.

And just how will DAB+ alter this?

If you think outside the UK like most car manufacturers do they have
noticed that the UK is the only place where there is any enthusiasm for
DAB as it is. Other countries are looking at the DAB + system and that
it seems is what they'll make receivers for so that they can be used in
a wider market..


As sod all, less then 1%, of new vehicles let alone cars have DAB as
standard fit, they couldn't reach an important part of the audience with
these stations. That added to the high costs of DAB transmission, and it
doesn't matter if you own the MUX you still have to pay Arquiva, it
wasn't profitable.

Err, Jazz FM was on what? Did that fail too due to high transmitter
rental? Or just a lack of audience?

Seems that more money could be made with the smooth format..

And it isn't that cheap to transmit either;!..

When the car makers do start fitting DAB radios preferable to a modern
standard as DAB version 1 is out of date, then that situation might
change.

But cheapskates like you won't pay any extra for a car radio.

Well since the Jazz went into Stereo albeit at 128 K MP2 I was
considering a DAB car radio for that service alone but alas not now.


They, GCap, would do away with their other services on DAB tomorrow if
they could but the Transmission contracts don't run out till 2012 so
their stuck with the white heffalump till then;(..

You're in their confidence, are you?

Nope just speak with people in the radio industry who wish that DAB
would go away..


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Tony Sayer

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...

If you think outside the UK like most car manufacturers do they have
noticed that the UK is the only place where there is any enthusiasm for
DAB as it is. Other countries are looking at the DAB + system and that
it seems is what they'll make receivers for so that they can be used in
a wider market..


From what I see there is precious little enthusiasm for DAB+ either. A DAB+
receiver will also receive DAB, so if the manufacturers make DAB+ car radios
they can be sold in the UK just as well as anywhere else.


As sod all, less then 1%, of new vehicles let alone cars have DAB as
standard fit, they couldn't reach an important part of the audience with
these stations. That added to the high costs of DAB transmission, and it
doesn't matter if you own the MUX you still have to pay Arquiva, it
wasn't profitable.

Err, Jazz FM was on what? Did that fail too due to high transmitter
rental? Or just a lack of audience?

Seems that more money could be made with the smooth format..

What "smooth format"?

David.

In article ,
David Looser wrote:
If you think outside the UK like most car manufacturers do they have
noticed that the UK is the only place where there is any enthusiasm for
DAB as it is. Other countries are looking at the DAB + system and that
it seems is what they'll make receivers for so that they can be used in
a wider market..


From what I see there is precious little enthusiasm for DAB+ either. A
DAB+ receiver will also receive DAB, so if the manufacturers make DAB+
car radios they can be sold in the UK just as well as anywhere else.

Indeed. I think it's because very few indeed actually care much about
radio quality. To most it's just a background so merely needs to be
adequate. So dropping the quality on DAB didn't matter much to most who
had it or were intending trying it. And similarly DAB + - if it does end
up being better quality - simply won't be an issue either. More like it's
just the manufacturers wanting yet another new standard to shift new
hardware.
For a new format to catch on it has to offer real advantages. FreeView
offers a much wider range of programming than analogue. And even that took
ages to catch on. There is plenty choice on FM already for most so DAB
really offers nothing for them.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
And just how will DAB+ alter this?

If you think outside the UK like most car manufacturers do they have
noticed that the UK is the only place where there is any enthusiasm for
DAB as it is. Other countries are looking at the DAB + system and that
it seems is what they'll make receivers for so that they can be used in
a wider market..

Can't see it myself. Germany wasn't interested in DAB even at decent
bitrates so I don't see what's going to make DAB+ special. True the
battery consumption may be better but that's not a consideration for most.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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