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Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 09:47 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

Years ago I bought a radio alarm-clock with a 110 Volt AC plug on it in
Far East and I have been using it here in the UK for the last ten years.
However, I have just turned it over and looked at it carefully and on
the back it states: power supply 110 Volts - 220 Volts.

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Thanks,

Eddy.


Don Pearce February 25th 08 09:55 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:52 GMT, Eddy
wrote:


Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

Years ago I bought a radio alarm-clock with a 110 Volt AC plug on it in
Far East and I have been using it here in the UK for the last ten years.
However, I have just turned it over and looked at it carefully and on
the back it states: power supply 110 Volts - 220 Volts.

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Thanks,

Eddy.


You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.

d

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Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 09:58 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Don Pearce wrote:
You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Er . . . ah . . . yes, I think I am familiar with a "mains voltage
converter". VERY HEAVY blockish thing, about 9" x 9"?

Eddy.


Phil Allison February 25th 08 10:03 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Eddy"

Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i



** That radio is no use in the UK.

Sony's specs say it is 120 volt and 60 Hz only - means the clock will be
way out and you will need a step down tranny.

Plus the AM channel spacing is set to 10 kHz instead of 9 kHz as in the UK .

Get one from a local UK supplier.

You dumb smartalec.



......... Phil



Don Pearce February 25th 08 10:03 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:58:09 GMT, Eddy
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Er . . . ah . . . yes, I think I am familiar with a "mains voltage
converter". VERY HEAVY blockish thing, about 9" x 9"?

Eddy.


No, nothing like that big unless you want to run power tools off it.
Maplin have one for £17 that will do nicely.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...erter&doy=25m2

d

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Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 10:08 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Don Pearce wrote:

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:58:09 GMT, Eddy
wrote:
Er . . . ah . . . yes, I think I am familiar with a "mains voltage
converter". VERY HEAVY blockish thing, about 9" x 9"?


No, nothing like that big unless you want to run power tools off it.
Maplin have one for £17 that will do nicely.

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...erter&doy=25m2


Ah, thanks a lot, Don. That's just fantastic! Worth the £17, I think,
given the delighted gasps of pleasure surrounding the particular machine
in question!

Many thanks.

Eddy.


Phil Allison February 25th 08 10:10 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Eddy"

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...erter&doy=25m2


Ah, thanks a lot, Don. That's just fantastic! Worth the £17, I think,
given the delighted gasps of pleasure surrounding the particular machine
in question!




** You are a ****ing IDIOT !!!




......... Phil



Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 10:21 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Phil Allison wrote:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...erter&doy=25m2


Ah, thanks a lot, Don. That's just fantastic! Worth the £17, I think,
given the delighted gasps of pleasure surrounding the particular machine
in question!


** You are a ****ing IDIOT !!!

......... Phil


Phil, I think you and I live in completely different worlds.

Eddy.


Eiron February 25th 08 10:37 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Phil Allison wrote:
"Eddy"

Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i



** That radio is no use in the UK.

Sony's specs say it is 120 volt and 60 Hz only - means the clock will be
way out and you will need a step down tranny.


Do these things still use the mains frequency as a time reference?
I thought that went out with 'rolodex' displays.

--
Eiron.

Dave Plowman (News) February 25th 08 10:40 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary if you
wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.

--
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Dave Plowman London SW
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Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 10:47 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Phil Allison wrote:
** That radio is no use in the UK.

Sony's specs say it is 120 volt and 60 Hz only - means the clock will be
way out and you will need a step down tranny.

Plus the AM channel spacing is set to 10 kHz instead of 9 kHz as in the UK .

Get one from a local UK supplier.

You dumb smartalec.


Phil, you charmer, I didn't see this earlier message from you. But
thanks.

The trouble with the model from the "local UK supplier" is that it ain't
got a backup battery, which is pretty damn stupid, wouldn't you agree
for a brilliant machine that will store 20 or so pre-sets . . . not to
mention the time.

So I would do as you say and buy the local version (an old version, BTW)
if there were some way of installing a backup battery between it and the
socket in the wall! :-) :-)

Eddy.


Eiron February 25th 08 10:50 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Eddy wrote:
Phil Allison wrote:
** That radio is no use in the UK.

Sony's specs say it is 120 volt and 60 Hz only - means the clock will be
way out and you will need a step down tranny.

Plus the AM channel spacing is set to 10 kHz instead of 9 kHz as in the UK .

Get one from a local UK supplier.

You dumb smartalec.


Phil, you charmer, I didn't see this earlier message from you. But
thanks.

The trouble with the model from the "local UK supplier" is that it ain't
got a backup battery, which is pretty damn stupid, wouldn't you agree
for a brilliant machine that will store 20 or so pre-sets . . . not to
mention the time.


The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf

--
Eiron.

Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 11:02 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Eiron wrote:
The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf


Thanks a lot, Eiron. I will go and check this out. (I've been reading
all these reviews on various sites of the UK version of this machine and
many bemoan the "fact" that it has not backup battery. Are we talking
about the same machine? Anyway, will check out your link!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...c-21/ref=nosim)

Eddy.



Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 11:10 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Eiron wrote:
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf

This pdf is all about the
Sony AM/FM/MP3/CD Black Clock Radio - ICFCD7000BLK
which isn't available in the UK, I understand, . . .

The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.


however, you imply you found the pdf on the Sony UK website . . . so
maybe . . . hmmm . . . I'll go look

Eddy.




Eddy[_2_] February 25th 08 11:21 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Eiron wrote:
The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf


You're RIGHT, Eiron, the technical page at Sony UK clearly states is has
"battery backup".

http://www.sony.co.uk/view/ShowProdu...lock+Radio#tab

But reviewer after reviewer states it hasn't!

Lasky's sells the model that reviewers say does, i.e. the one that's
going cheap at £30 in the States, but Lasky's is selling it for £117.

The only thing to do is for me to contact Sony tomorrow morning and get
the facts.

Ah . . . there's still hope I may yet get the "Dream Machine"!

Good night.

Eddy.


Eeyore February 25th 08 11:41 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 


Eddy wrote:

Eiron wrote:
The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf


Thanks a lot, Eiron. I will go and check this out. (I've been reading
all these reviews on various sites of the UK version of this machine and
many bemoan the "fact" that it has not backup battery. Are we talking
about the same machine? Anyway, will check out your link!)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...c-21/ref=nosim)


That's not even remotely the same item. It's got a completely different model
number.

Graham


Phil Allison February 26th 08 12:03 AM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Eddy the Idiot "

Phil Allison wrote:

Ah, thanks a lot, Don. That's just fantastic! Worth the £17, I think,
given the delighted gasps of pleasure surrounding the particular
machine
in question!


** You are a ****ing IDIOT !!!

......... Phil


Phil, I think you and I live in completely different worlds.



** Firstly - YOU have no capacity for thinking.

Secondly - YOU live in an alternative universe - one that is full of
****wits.



........ Phil






Trevor Wilson[_2_] February 26th 08 03:58 AM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:52 GMT, Eddy
wrote:


Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

Years ago I bought a radio alarm-clock with a 110 Volt AC plug on it in
Far East and I have been using it here in the UK for the last ten years.
However, I have just turned it over and looked at it carefully and on
the back it states: power supply 110 Volts - 220 Volts.

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Thanks,

Eddy.


You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


**Unlikely. Given the level of automation and the fact that it has a battery
back-up, it is likely to be crystal locked. I purchased a Sony clock radio,
back in 1995, which was crystal locked, battery backed, digitally tuned, for
US$29.95. I installed an original Sony 240VAC transformer (cost AUS$3.00),
reset some thoughtfully labelled links (for 9kHz AM spacing) and am still
enjoying the rather respectable clock radio today. The cost of that product,
in Australia, was AUS$125.00.

Trevor Wilson



tony sayer February 26th 08 08:53 AM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
In article , Eddy eddy.bentle
scribeth thus
Eiron wrote:
The Sony UK website says it has a backup battery.
http://pdf.crse.com/manuals/2899053311.pdf

Thanks a lot, Eiron. I will go and check this out. (I've been reading
all these reviews on various sites of the UK version of this machine and
many bemoan the "fact" that it has not backup battery.


Whydda want a battery backup for?, dontcha need some excuse for being
late for work as the alarm didn't go off?...
--
Tony Sayer




Don Pearce February 26th 08 05:32 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:40:02 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary if you
wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.


Yup, you are probably dead right.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

--
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Don Pearce February 26th 08 05:35 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:58:05 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:52 GMT, Eddy
wrote:


Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

Years ago I bought a radio alarm-clock with a 110 Volt AC plug on it in
Far East and I have been using it here in the UK for the last ten years.
However, I have just turned it over and looked at it carefully and on
the back it states: power supply 110 Volts - 220 Volts.

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Thanks,

Eddy.


You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


**Unlikely. Given the level of automation and the fact that it has a battery
back-up, it is likely to be crystal locked. I purchased a Sony clock radio,
back in 1995, which was crystal locked, battery backed, digitally tuned, for
US$29.95. I installed an original Sony 240VAC transformer (cost AUS$3.00),
reset some thoughtfully labelled links (for 9kHz AM spacing) and am still
enjoying the rather respectable clock radio today. The cost of that product,
in Australia, was AUS$125.00.

Trevor Wilson


My clock radio has mechanical tuning, so I wasn't really thinking
about the two different channel spacings. Actually it is of such an
ancient vintage that I believe it does use the mains for the clock
timing, and drops back to an RC oscillator if the mains fails.

Don't know how they run the mains in OZ, but here although it is a bit
noisy, they do place limits on the total number of cycles in a day,
and that is plenty accurate enough for a clock.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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Eddy[_2_] February 26th 08 06:28 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
Phil Allison wrote:

"Eddy the Idiot "

Phil Allison wrote:

Ah, thanks a lot, Don. That's just fantastic! Worth the £17, I think,
given the delighted gasps of pleasure surrounding the particular
machine
in question!

** You are a ****ing IDIOT !!!

......... Phil


Phil, I think you and I live in completely different worlds.


** Firstly - YOU have no capacity for thinking.

Secondly - YOU live in an alternative universe - one that is full of
****wits.

........ Phil


Phil, do you think it's possible that maybe I have considerable capacity
for thinking in MY own particular fields of expertise (which do not
include any form of electronics)? And, conversely, maybe if you were to
ask questions in domains alien to you, you might easily be disparaged by
the unthinking experts in those domains as being what you have described
as "a ****ing idiot"? Do you think that this might be at all possible?

Eddy.


Eeyore February 26th 08 07:00 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 


Don Pearce wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:

You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary if you
wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.


Yup, you are probably dead right.


The funny thing is, and I speak from experience, is that a crystal of the ilk
likely to be found in a clock radio is LESS accurate than the mains. By some
considerable degree.

Graham


Trevor Wilson[_2_] February 26th 08 07:27 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:58:05 +1100, "Trevor Wilson"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 22:47:52 GMT, Eddy
wrote:


Can anyone tell me if a radio that has a United States 110 Volt AC plug
on it can be used in the UK?

Years ago I bought a radio alarm-clock with a 110 Volt AC plug on it in
Far East and I have been using it here in the UK for the last ten years.
However, I have just turned it over and looked at it carefully and on
the back it states: power supply 110 Volts - 220 Volts.

The machine I want to buy can be seen at the following address, although
I think I can buy it from another US supplier. (I don't think
Amazon.com will ship to the UK anymore.)

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-ICF-CD700...=cm_cr_pr_pb_i

Thanks,

Eddy.

You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


**Unlikely. Given the level of automation and the fact that it has a
battery
back-up, it is likely to be crystal locked. I purchased a Sony clock
radio,
back in 1995, which was crystal locked, battery backed, digitally tuned,
for
US$29.95. I installed an original Sony 240VAC transformer (cost AUS$3.00),
reset some thoughtfully labelled links (for 9kHz AM spacing) and am still
enjoying the rather respectable clock radio today. The cost of that
product,
in Australia, was AUS$125.00.

Trevor Wilson


My clock radio has mechanical tuning, so I wasn't really thinking
about the two different channel spacings. Actually it is of such an
ancient vintage that I believe it does use the mains for the clock
timing, and drops back to an RC oscillator if the mains fails.


**I'm sure it does. However, the Sony in question will use at least two
crystals. One for the CD player and another the CPU. Using the CPU crystal
for clock timing will be easy enough. Like I said: My ancient US$29.95 Sony
clock radio does use crystal timing for clock functions. I see no reason why
Sony would change things 10 years+ later.


Don't know how they run the mains in OZ, but here although it is a bit
noisy, they do place limits on the total number of cycles in a day,
and that is plenty accurate enough for a clock.


**Our mains supply appears to be adequate for most clock functions.

Trevor Wilson



Phil Allison February 26th 08 08:24 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)"


Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary if you
wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.



** Nonsense.

Battery back up ( of the time ) is fitted to MOST clock radios that use the
AC supply frequency as a reference.

The feature is built in to the clock ICs that are commonly used.



......... Phil




David Looser February 26th 08 09:22 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
"Trevor Wilson" wrote in message
...


**I'm sure it does. However, the Sony in question will use at least two
crystals. One for the CD player and another the CPU. Using the CPU crystal
for clock timing will be easy enough.


Easy maybe, but not good enough for timekeeping. Of course they could
provide a timekeeping-quality crystal oscillator for the clock and use that
for the CPU as well, but it wouldn't be worth the effort as CPU crystals
cost virtually nothing.

Like I said: My ancient US$29.95 Sony
clock radio does use crystal timing for clock functions. I see no reason
why Sony would change things 10 years+ later.


Nobody has mentioned the option of MSF control. Apart from anything else it
avoids the maintenance liability of battery backup, yet self resets after a
power cut.


David.



Dave Plowman (News) February 26th 08 11:02 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
In article ,
Eeyore wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:

You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost
you much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is
like most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock.
50Hz vs 60Hz mains will make it run very slow.

Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary
if you wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.


Yup, you are probably dead right.


The funny thing is, and I speak from experience, is that a crystal of
the ilk likely to be found in a clock radio is LESS accurate than the
mains. By some considerable degree.


Indeed. Mains is averaged out to exactly 50 Hz for this express purpose.
However, providing a backup may be more expensive than a system which
relies on its own oscillator.

But a mains locked system can be quite a bit out at certain times of the
day - and likely when needed. One controlled by a decent local oscillator
should be more consistent.

Graham


--
*A snooze button is a poor substitute for no alarm clock at all *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman (News) February 26th 08 11:09 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)"


Mains locked? The few I've had apart are crystal locked - necessary if
you wish battery backup. Which most radio alarms have.



** Nonsense.


Thank you for your kind words.

Battery back up ( of the time ) is fitted to MOST clock radios that use
the AC supply frequency as a reference.


Do any? None of those I've got here do.

The feature is built in to the clock ICs that are commonly used.


Depends what you mean by commonly.

--
*The longest recorded flightof a chicken is thirteen seconds *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Allison February 26th 08 11:10 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 

"Dave Plowman (Nutter )"


Indeed. Mains is averaged out to exactly 50 Hz for this express purpose.
However, providing a backup may be more expensive than a system which
relies on its own oscillator.

But a mains locked system can be quite a bit out at certain times of the
day - and likely when needed.



** Nonsense.

One controlled by a decent local oscillator
should be more consistent.



** ********.

Crystal clocks and watches have poor time keeping compared to a mains
frequency based clock.

Average errors are in the order of 30 seconds per month, much more for
watches if the owner forgets to wear it.


........ Phil





Dave Plowman (News) February 26th 08 11:44 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
But a mains locked system can be quite a bit out at certain times of
the day - and likely when needed.



** Nonsense.


******** **

One controlled by a decent local oscillator
should be more consistent.



** ********.


Nonsense **

Crystal clocks and watches have poor time keeping compared to a mains
frequency based clock.


Mains frequency in Europe has a tolerance of +/- 0.2 Hz. I'll leave you to
work out the worst possible error in a 24 hour period.

Average errors are in the order of 30 seconds per month, much more for
watches if the owner forgets to wear it.


You have a mains locked watch? Figures.

--
*Succeed, in spite of management *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Eddy[_2_] February 27th 08 10:15 AM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
David Looser wrote:
Nobody has mentioned the option of MSF control. Apart from anything else it
avoids the maintenance liability of battery backup, yet self resets after a
power cut.


What's this "MSF control", please, David?

Rang two or three Sony 0870 numbers yesterday for information on the UK
model I'm interested in, to report the Sony website states it has
"Battery backup" and yet reviewers say it hasn't and one Sony shop
assistant I got through to inspected the machine thoroughly and says it
is completely sealed (nowhere for battery replacement). Each Sony
person I got through seemed only able to scroll through exactly the same
documentation as I have on the Sony webpages! Have been promised a
call-back from some tiny-voiced young female responsible for Sony
production enquiries . . . but haven't heard anything yet. It appears
these big corporations make the things, give you the option of buying
them or not, but simply don't make personal specialist expertise
available.

Eddy.


Eddy[_2_] February 27th 08 10:17 AM

MODERATOR: ban this poster from this group?
 
Phil Allison wrote:


"Dave Plowman Nutcase LIAR"



** You are one EVIL pile of sub-human garbage - Plowman.

IOW - a typical pommy ****.





....... Phil



MODERATOR: ban this poster from this group?

Phil Allison February 27th 08 10:21 AM

MODERATOR: ban this poster from this group?
 

"Eddy"


MODERATOR: ban this poster from this group.

He is too *stupid* to be allowed access to usenet.





...... Phil



Don Pearce February 27th 08 10:26 AM

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 11:17:50 GMT, Eddy
wrote:

Phil Allison wrote:


"Dave Plowman Nutcase LIAR"



** You are one EVIL pile of sub-human garbage - Plowman.

IOW - a typical pommy ****.





....... Phil



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No moderator on this group. Just dump him in your killfile and forget
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David Looser February 27th 08 10:42 AM

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"Eddy" wrote in message
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David Looser wrote:
Nobody has mentioned the option of MSF control. Apart from anything else
it
avoids the maintenance liability of battery backup, yet self resets after
a
power cut.


What's this "MSF control", please, David?

MSF is the call-sign of the UK's standard time transmission, radiated on a
frequency of 60kHz. If you aren't in the UK there are similar transmissions
in other countries.

These days there are many "Radio-Controlled" clocks, including radio alarm
clocks, available at prices not much above those of ordinary clocks. They
have the definite advantage of being self-setting, including after power
cuts and when daylight-saving time starts and ends.

I can't be bothered with battery back-up. IME the batteries run down without
you noticing so that the clock still stops when the power goes off. And all
the ones I've seen use expensive PP3 type batteries.

David.



tony sayer February 27th 08 10:47 AM

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In article , Eddy eddy.bentl
scribeth thus
David Looser wrote:
Nobody has mentioned the option of MSF control. Apart from anything else it
avoids the maintenance liability of battery backup, yet self resets after a
power cut.


What's this "MSF control", please, David?



Its a radio time signal transmitted by this lot!..

http://www.npl.co.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.998



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Eeyore February 27th 08 11:07 AM

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Eddy wrote:

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This is not a moderated group you nitwit.

Graham



Laurence Payne February 27th 08 11:19 AM

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He IS the moderator. Or thinks he is, anyway :-)

Iain Churches[_2_] February 27th 08 04:39 PM

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"Eddy" wrote in message
...
Phil Allison wrote:


"Dave Plowman Nutcase LIAR"



** You are one EVIL pile of sub-human garbage - Plowman.

IOW - a typical pommy ****.





....... Phil



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Eddy. You ain't seen nothin' yet:-)
Our Phil is just getting warmed up!



Mike Cawood, HND BIT February 27th 08 10:04 PM

Use 100 Volt AC radio in UK?
 
"Eddy" wrote in message
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Don Pearce wrote:
You can certainly buy a mains voltage converter for it (won't cost you
much more than a new clock radio, probably :-). But if this is like
most of them, it uses the mains frequency to run the clock. 50Hz vs
60Hz mains will make it run very slow.


Er . . . ah . . . yes, I think I am familiar with a "mains voltage
converter". VERY HEAVY blockish thing, about 9" x 9"?

Eddy.

It's called a TRANSFORMER duh.




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