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Old March 4th 08, 01:05 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Ron Hardin
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Arny Krueger wrote:
Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt, turn it
on.


Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.

In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.

Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.

Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
or Rode.

That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.

You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do seem to be
really quiet so you can do that.

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Old March 4th 08, 01:13 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Don Pearce
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On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
wrote:

Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.

In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.


Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
susceptible.

d

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Old March 4th 08, 01:24 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Ron Hardin
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Don Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:05:47 -0500, Ron Hardin
wrote:

Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.

In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.


Where on earth did you pick up that little urban legend? You can dead
short a behringer preamp without damage - as you probably can any pre.
They are current-limited by a pair of 6.2k resistors, so it would take
some extraordinary feat of engineering incompetence to make them
susceptible.


I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic didn't
work on phantom power, and the phantom power light no longer came on
when you flipped it on afterwards.

``destroyed'' means only that phantom power no longer works.
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Old March 4th 08, 03:04 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on? If in doubt,
turn it on.


Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer mixers.


In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom power the phantom
power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.


The specification for phantom allows you to short out an input completely
without effecting others. There are current limiting resistors supplying
the volts to each input. Anything else would be a nonsense.

Fortunately the mic also takes an AA cell, so it's not a complete loss.


Who's responsible for that engineering disaster, I don't know. Behringer
or Rode.


More likely finger problems.

That said, the mic works fine in the remaining mixer with the AA cell.


You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
seem to be really quiet so you can do that.


Eh?

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Old March 4th 08, 03:54 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Ron Hardin
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
seem to be really quiet so you can do that.


Eh?


Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.

The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.
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Old March 4th 08, 04:52 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Ian Thompson-Bell[_2_]
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Ron Hardin wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
seem to be really quiet so you can do that.

Eh?


Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.

The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.


I can't think of a single case where this would be necessary, still less
advisable. You would certainly end up with a poor S/N ratio.

Cheers

Ian
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Old March 4th 08, 04:55 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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"Ron Hardin" wrote in message

Arny Krueger wrote:


Do the microphones need phantom power? Is it turned on?
If in doubt, turn it on.


Watch out! Some phantom power mics blow up Behringer
mixers.


Exceedingly unlikely.

In particular the Rode NTG-2. If you turn on phantom
power the phantom power permanently is destroyed in the mixer.


Exceedingly unlikely.


I do believe that it is possible that someone, one time, plugged a NTG-2
into a Behringer mixer and coincidentally, the phantom power supply in that
mixer went out.


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Old March 4th 08, 05:33 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
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Ron Hardin wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They do
seem to be really quiet so you can do that.

Eh?


Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.

The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.


You 'can' do that, but unless there is something wrong with either the
mixer or the mic, there is not a reason in the world that one mixer
wouldn't be enough.

If there's not enough gain, then something's wrong and needs to be
fixed. (That 'something' might lie somewhere between the ears of the
operator.)

Period.

jak
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Old March 4th 08, 05:51 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
Ron Hardin wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
You can of course get even more gain by adding another mixer. They
do seem to be really quiet so you can do that.


Eh?


Feed one mixer into the other. They have gain.


The noise level is low enough so that you can do that.


I don't think I've ever come across a mixer with phantom power - and using
a phantom powered mic - which has run out of gain.

Sounds like you've had a few nasties you've not sorted.

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Old March 5th 08, 12:05 PM posted to rec.audio.misc,rec.audio.tech,uk.rec.audio
Richard Crowley
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"Ron Hardin" wrote ...
I just report. It destroyed two mixers, MX802A's. The mic
didn't work on phantom power, and the phantom power
light no longer came on when you flipped it on afterwards.


That story is just not credible without a first-hand reference.
 




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