On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on TV.

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is below
average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

Cheers,
Pete.

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an
IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up in
such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S. Army. Many people
in the middle class are blithely unaware of the fact that almost everybody
they encounter has an IQ 100. I sure was.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an
IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up in
such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S. Army. Many people
in the middle class are blithely unaware of the fact that almost everybody
they encounter has an IQ 100. I sure was.


The type of people you encounter in the US military depends on the
work you are assigned, and whether there is a war going on. The dumbest
soldiers I encountered were in supply, the motor pool and a few infantry
types who thought anyone who wasn't on the battlefield 90% of their TIS
wasn't military.

I was a Broadcast Engineer for AFRTS, worked on the WeatherVision
system at Ft. Rucker, and installed some sound systems. I tested out of
the three year electronics school at Ft. Monmoth and was awarded my MOS
while in basic. I was told that almost no one passed that MOS test,
even five years after completing the course. I received the highest
score on record for my MOS at Ft Knox.

The people I worked with were no different than in any other
technical job. It was the unhappy people doing mostly menial military
jobs that didn't seem very bright, but some of them were just bored to
death. If you got to know them you discovered that some were well read,
and some were taking one or more military correspondence courses, or
going to night classes at a nearby college. Others would have been
losers, no matter what they did, and a few were in the military to keep
from going to prison.

If you served during W.W.II or Korea, they took a lot of people they
wouldn't have, in peace time. They needed people who could shoot, and
who could be quickly trained to take care of themselves on a
battlefield. In a lot of cases, they were strong, but not well educated
farm boys. People who couldn't afford college, and spent most of their
lives doing hot and heavy labor on the family farm. They wouldn't have
scored high on an IQ test, but in no way were they stupid. They just
never got the chance to get much of an education. OTOH, they were the
guys you wanted at your back when the **** hit the fan and the fighting
meant life or death.

You see more deadbeats in peace time, because there is no fighting to
send them to. It's very easy to transfer someone to the infantry, and a
war zone if they cause too many problems. Almost everyone soldier has
infantry as they primary or secondary MOS. Very few have 'NA' for a
secondary MOS on their DD-214.


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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking
an IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up
in such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S.
Army. Many people in the middle class are blithely
unaware of the fact that almost everybody they encounter
has an IQ 100. I sure was.

The type of people you encounter in the US military
depends on the work you are assigned, and whether there
is a war going on. The dumbest soldiers I encountered
were in supply, the motor pool and a few infantry types
who thought anyone who wasn't on the battlefield 90% of
their TIS wasn't military.

Yes, that is what I saw. BTW, I served while there was a war going on.

I was a Broadcast Engineer for AFRTS, worked on the
WeatherVision system at Ft. Rucker, and installed some
sound systems. I tested out of the three year
electronics school at Ft. Monmoth and was awarded my MOS
while in basic. I was told that almost no one passed
that MOS test, even five years after completing the
course. I received the highest score on record for my
MOS at Ft Knox.

Never was offered the opportunity to test out of anything.

Aced Hawk Radar school, and got the highest proficiency rating in the Army
for my MOS while I served, the first time they tested me for anything like
that. They never got a second chance! ;-)

The people I worked with were no different than in any
other technical job. It was the unhappy people doing
mostly menial military jobs that didn't seem very bright,
but some of them were just bored to death. If you got to
know them you discovered that some were well read, and
some were taking one or more military correspondence
courses, or going to night classes at a nearby college.

Again pretty well mirrors what I saw.

The Army had a number of beneficial effects on me, because when I returned
to University after serving, I became an ace student there as well.

Others would have been losers, no matter what they did,
and a few were in the military to keep from going to
prison.

That was an amazingly large part of my basic training platoon - guys who the
judge told: "Jail or Army" Lucky us!

If you served during W.W.II or Korea, they took a lot
of people they wouldn't have, in peace time. They needed
people who could shoot, and who could be quickly trained
to take care of themselves on a battlefield. In a lot of
cases, they were strong, but not well educated farm boys.

Ditto for Vietnam.

People who couldn't afford college, and spent most of
their lives doing hot and heavy labor on the family farm.
They wouldn't have scored high on an IQ test, but in no
way were they stupid. They just never got the chance to
get much of an education. OTOH, they were the guys you
wanted at your back when the **** hit the fan and the
fighting meant life or death.

I avoided those kinds of situations.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking
an IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up
in such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S.
Army. Many people in the middle class are blithely
unaware of the fact that almost everybody they encounter
has an IQ 100. I sure was.

The type of people you encounter in the US military
depends on the work you are assigned, and whether there
is a war going on. The dumbest soldiers I encountered
were in supply, the motor pool and a few infantry types
who thought anyone who wasn't on the battlefield 90% of
their TIS wasn't military.

Yes, that is what I saw. BTW, I served while there was a war going on.

I was a Broadcast Engineer for AFRTS, worked on the
WeatherVision system at Ft. Rucker, and installed some
sound systems. I tested out of the three year
electronics school at Ft. Monmoth and was awarded my MOS
while in basic. I was told that almost no one passed
that MOS test, even five years after completing the
course. I received the highest score on record for my
MOS at Ft Knox.

Never was offered the opportunity to test out of anything.


They thought they couldn't lose, or they wouldn't have offered me the
chance. Of course, ever soldier who ever changed a fuse in something
electronic thought he was an expert in the '70s.


Aced Hawk Radar school, and got the highest proficiency rating in the Army
for my MOS while I served, the first time they tested me for anything like
that. They never got a second chance! ;-)


I forgot to mention I was loaned to the RADAR techs when they were
shorthanded. By the end of the day they were trying to get me
permanently transferred from the WeatherVision system.


They were phasing out my MOS to civilian contractors when it was time
to 're-enlist'. I had a VERY interesting talk with the re-enlist office
about two weeks before I was to leave. In fact, when I had to clear his
office all he did was turn quite pale, say "You're NOT going to
re-enlist, are you soldier" tell me to enjoy life as a civilian and sign
my papers. I also turned down an electronics civil service job a
year earlier. I would have had to spend the next 20 years at Ft Rucker,
Al. if I had signed.


The people I worked with were no different than in any
other technical job. It was the unhappy people doing
mostly menial military jobs that didn't seem very bright,
but some of them were just bored to death. If you got to
know them you discovered that some were well read, and
some were taking one or more military correspondence
courses, or going to night classes at a nearby college.

Again pretty well mirrors what I saw.

The Army had a number of beneficial effects on me, because when I returned
to University after serving, I became an ace student there as well.

Others would have been losers, no matter what they did,
and a few were in the military to keep from going to
prison.

That was an amazingly large part of my basic training platoon - guys who the
judge told: "Jail or Army" Lucky us!

If you served during W.W.II or Korea, they took a lot
of people they wouldn't have, in peace time. They needed
people who could shoot, and who could be quickly trained
to take care of themselves on a battlefield. In a lot of
cases, they were strong, but not well educated farm boys.

Ditto for Vietnam.

People who couldn't afford college, and spent most of
their lives doing hot and heavy labor on the family farm.
They wouldn't have scored high on an IQ test, but in no
way were they stupid. They just never got the chance to
get much of an education. OTOH, they were the guys you
wanted at your back when the **** hit the fan and the
fighting meant life or death.

I avoided those kinds of situations.


I ended up in Alaska, walking over two miles to and from work at -40
or colder, and in the dark. SOme of the guys who saw combat wanted f to
go back. They told me they preferred to be shot at, than a slow death by
freezing.


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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an
IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up in
such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S. Army. Many
people
in the middle class are blithely unaware of the fact that almost
everybody
they encounter has an IQ 100. I sure was.


The type of people you encounter in the US military depends on the
work you are assigned, and whether there is a war going on. The dumbest
soldiers I encountered were in supply, the motor pool and a few infantry
types who thought anyone who wasn't on the battlefield 90% of their TIS
wasn't military.


As I recall, Richard Feynman was rejected by the US Army after failing an IQ
test. He did not reach the minimum entry levels on anything. Don't know the
US nomenclature at the time, but it boiled down to "too dumb" even for a
grunt In due course he won the Nobel Prize for Physics, among other things
in a spectacular and often extremely funny career.

Geoff MacK

On Sat, 31 May 2008 18:48:52 +0100, Geoff Mackenzie wrote:

"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test,
let alone advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on
TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is
below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S. Army. Many
people
in the middle class are blithely unaware of the fact that almost
everybody
they encounter has an IQ 100. I sure was.


The type of people you encounter in the US military depends on the
work you are assigned, and whether there is a war going on. The
dumbest soldiers I encountered were in supply, the motor pool and a few
infantry types who thought anyone who wasn't on the battlefield 90% of
their TIS wasn't military.


As I recall, Richard Feynman was rejected by the US Army after failing
an IQ test. He did not reach the minimum entry levels on anything.
Don't know the US nomenclature at the time, but it boiled down to "too
dumb" even for a grunt In due course he won the Nobel Prize for Physics,
among other things in a spectacular and often extremely funny career.

The easiest way to flunk a multiple-guess test is to know the material
*better* than the author of the test. You spend so much time trying to
guess which wrong answer the author thinks is right that you don't
finish. It's even worse than total ignorance, where you could give
random answers and score about 1/n, where n is the number of alternatives
per question. For most people, it's only a problem on narrow, single-
subject tests, but I can imagine Feynman getting bogged down in a
standard IQ test.

"Geoff Mackenzie"


As I recall, Richard Feynman was rejected by the US Army after failing an
IQ test. He did not reach the minimum entry levels on anything. Don't
know the US nomenclature at the time, but it boiled down to "too dumb"
even for a grunt.

** Completely at odds with the facts of his life story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Education

He was a full time student, attended the MIT and finally received a PhD from
Princeton in 1942 at age 24.

Then he was invited to join the Manhattan Project.

He scored 123, on a standard IQ test, in his early teens.


....... Phil

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Geoff Mackenzie"


As I recall, Richard Feynman was rejected by the US Army after failing an
IQ test. He did not reach the minimum entry levels on anything. Don't
know the US nomenclature at the time, but it boiled down to "too dumb"
even for a grunt.

** Completely at odds with the facts of his life story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Education

He was a full time student, attended the MIT and finally received a PhD
from Princeton in 1942 at age 24.

Then he was invited to join the Manhattan Project.

He scored 123, on a standard IQ test, in his early teens.


...... Phil

Well, I was quoting from the blurb on the dust jacket of one of his
books.....

Geoff MacK

"Geoff Mackenzie"
"Phil Allison"
"Geoff Mackenzie"


As I recall, Richard Feynman was rejected by the US Army after failing
an IQ test. He did not reach the minimum entry levels on anything.
Don't know the US nomenclature at the time, but it boiled down to "too
dumb" even for a grunt.

** Completely at odds with the facts of his life story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman#Education

He was a full time student, attended the MIT and finally received a PhD
from Princeton in 1942 at age 24.

Then he was invited to join the Manhattan Project.

He scored 123, on a standard IQ test, in his early teens.


...... Phil

Well, I was quoting from the blurb on the dust jacket of one of his
books.....


** That is not what you posted nor is it true.

**** off, idiot.


...... Phil