In article ,
Arny Krueger wrote:
The noise floor of a well-made recording is on the order of 75-80 dB.
Below that is the noise floor, usually from analog (thermal) sources.
This is many times more than is required to properly dither a proper 16
bit conversion.

Yup. Anything that starts off life at a microphone is unlikely to do very
much better. And most recordings use several microphones...

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Arny Krueger wrote:

The earliest CD players had converters good enough to demonstrate dynamic
range on the order of 93 dB, which is pretty close to the theoretical max:

Oh come on !

The earliest CD players were utter ****E. Esp the CDP-101. Truncated reverb
tails is what I remember especially.

On Pink Floyd it sounded dreadful. I have a special memory of that.

Thankfully the technology has improved awesomely since.

Graham

Arny Krueger wrote:

The noise floor of a well-made recording is on the order of 75-80 dB.

Have you gone completely MAD ?

I can beat you by easily 50dB.

Graham

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Yup. Anything that starts off life at a microphone is unlikely to do very
much better. And most recordings use several microphones...

Really good microphones have equivalent acoustic noise levels of well below
20 dB.

Graham

In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Yup. Anything that starts off life at a microphone is unlikely to do
very much better. And most recordings use several microphones...

Really good microphones have equivalent acoustic noise levels of well
below 20 dB.

There's rather more to the average chain than just the microphone.

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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
The earliest CD players were utter ****E. Esp the CDP-101. Truncated
reverb tails is what I remember especially.

You mean fading out the track early in the CD mastering to try and stop
you hearing the tape hiss?

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:

Someone else (edited out) wrote.

Yup. Anything that starts off life at a microphone is unlikely to do
very much better. And most recordings use several microphones...

Really good microphones have equivalent acoustic noise levels of well
below 20 dB.

There's rather more to the average chain than just the microphone.

Please elaborate with especial regard to where you think my figures are
wrong.

Graham

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
The earliest CD players were utter ****E. Esp the CDP-101. Truncated
reverb tails is what I remember especially.

You mean fading out the track early in the CD mastering to try and stop
you hearing the tape hiss?

NO.

I mean failure of signal resolution compared to CD (on a Sony CDP-101) with
vinyl on my Garrard 401 wirh Ortofon RMG309 arm and M75E II cartridge.

And (in my mind) you'd have to be DEAF not to notice it.

Graham

"Eeysore = total NUT CASE "

The earliest CD players were utter ****E. Esp the CDP-101. Truncated
reverb tails is what I remember especially.

You mean fading out the track early in the CD mastering to try and stop
you hearing the tape hiss?

NO.

I mean failure of signal resolution compared to CD (on a Sony CDP-101)
with
vinyl on my Garrard 401 wirh Ortofon RMG309 arm and M75E II cartridge.


** No turntable will play a CD and no CD player will play an LP.

Get the point - ****wit ?


And (in my mind) you'd have to be DEAF not to notice it.


** You have to be brain dead to wildly assume that CDs and LPs derived from
multi-generation tapes and "re-mastered " by god knows who on god know what
can be used to make such comparisons.

Totally invalid test method, used only by the worst sort of audiophool
cretins.




...... Phil

Phil Allison wrote:

"Eeysore = total NUT CASE "

The earliest CD players were utter ****E. Esp the CDP-101. Truncated
reverb tails is what I remember especially.

You mean fading out the track early in the CD mastering to try and stop
you hearing the tape hiss?

NO.

I mean failure of signal resolution compared to CD (on a Sony CDP-101)
with
vinyl on my Garrard 401 wirh Ortofon RMG309 arm and M75E II cartridge.

** No turntable will play a CD and no CD player will play an LP.

Get the point - ****wit ?

Go **** a pig you MORON.