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PJ October 26th 03 05:10 PM

RIP John Michell
 
Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Old Fart at Play October 26th 03 06:37 PM

RIP John Michell
 
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



Old Fart at Play October 26th 03 06:37 PM

RIP John Michell
 
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



harrogate October 26th 03 07:05 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



Ah! Another one who has never heard of hi-fi separates.................


--
Woody





harrogate October 26th 03 07:05 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



Ah! Another one who has never heard of hi-fi separates.................


--
Woody





PJ October 26th 03 07:46 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"harrogate" wrote in message
...

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



Ah! Another one who has never heard of hi-fi separates.................


--
Woody





If you don't know its really pointless asking who he was .



PJ October 26th 03 07:46 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"harrogate" wrote in message
...

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?



Ah! Another one who has never heard of hi-fi separates.................


--
Woody





If you don't know its really pointless asking who he was .



Keith G October 26th 03 07:53 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital' was
most definitely king.....







Keith G October 26th 03 07:53 PM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital' was
most definitely king.....







Old Fart at Play October 26th 03 08:40 PM

RIP John Michell
 
Keith G wrote:



Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital' was
most definitely king.....



Thanks. A sensible answer.
I presumed that PJ wasn't referring to Paul Michell the geologist
who died in 1793.

Roger.




Old Fart at Play October 26th 03 08:40 PM

RIP John Michell
 
Keith G wrote:



Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital' was
most definitely king.....



Thanks. A sensible answer.
I presumed that PJ wasn't referring to Paul Michell the geologist
who died in 1793.

Roger.




Andy Evans October 26th 03 09:36 PM

RIP John Michell
 
John was a real gentleman and a terribly nice guy. Sad loss.

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Andy Evans October 26th 03 09:36 PM

RIP John Michell
 
John was a real gentleman and a terribly nice guy. Sad loss.

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

malcolm October 27th 03 02:14 AM

RIP John Michell
 
very nicely engineered turntables and bits, shame the CD project was
abandoned.



"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital'

was
most definitely king.....









malcolm October 27th 03 02:14 AM

RIP John Michell
 
very nicely engineered turntables and bits, shame the CD project was
abandoned.



"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital'

was
most definitely king.....









harrogate October 27th 03 06:37 AM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:



Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for

a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital'

was
most definitely king.....



Thanks. A sensible answer.
I presumed that PJ wasn't referring to Paul Michell the geologist
who died in 1793.

Roger.




Err, but this is a hi-fi ng?......................


--
Woody





harrogate October 27th 03 06:37 AM

RIP John Michell
 

"Old Fart at Play" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:



Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm presuming they mean J A Michell. If so then it's a sad loss - see
http://www.michell-engineering.co.uk...e_gallery.html for

a
superb display of some of the man's work from a time when 'non digital'

was
most definitely king.....



Thanks. A sensible answer.
I presumed that PJ wasn't referring to Paul Michell the geologist
who died in 1793.

Roger.




Err, but this is a hi-fi ng?......................


--
Woody





Stewart Pinkerton October 27th 03 06:38 AM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 27th 03 06:38 AM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Mike Gilmour October 27th 03 07:25 AM

RIP John Michell
 

"PJ" wrote in message
...
Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm very sorry to hear that. I was talking to John recently about
manufacturing phono cables for Michell decks and he sounded fine then but I
guess that does'nt mean too much. He was a fine engineer and a good man. A
very sad loss indeed.

Mike



Mike Gilmour October 27th 03 07:25 AM

RIP John Michell
 

"PJ" wrote in message
...
Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



I'm very sorry to hear that. I was talking to John recently about
manufacturing phono cables for Michell decks and he sounded fine then but I
guess that does'nt mean too much. He was a fine engineer and a good man. A
very sad loss indeed.

Mike



Laurence Payne October 27th 03 03:09 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?


Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?

What was the thinking behind that? Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?

Laurence Payne October 27th 03 03:09 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?


Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?

What was the thinking behind that? Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?

Stewart Pinkerton October 27th 03 04:00 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:09:22 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?


Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.

What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 27th 03 04:00 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:09:22 +0000, Laurence Payne
wrote:

On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
wrote:

PJ wrote:

Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .



Who?


Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.

What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Dave Plowman October 27th 03 05:27 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.


What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.


So that it acted even more like the diaphragm of a microphone and caused
much earlier feedback?

And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.


That's more like it.

--
*I yell because I care

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 27th 03 05:27 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.


What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.


So that it acted even more like the diaphragm of a microphone and caused
much earlier feedback?

And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.


That's more like it.

--
*I yell because I care

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

malcolm October 27th 03 10:32 PM

RIP John Michell
 
what about the aesthetics of it tho, never mind the practicality..........


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering




malcolm October 27th 03 10:32 PM

RIP John Michell
 
what about the aesthetics of it tho, never mind the practicality..........


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering




Stewart Pinkerton October 28th 03 04:38 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:27:56 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.


What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.


So that it acted even more like the diaphragm of a microphone and caused
much earlier feedback?


The theory was that vibrations from the stylus would be dissipated
into the air instead of reflected by the platter. Experience and
observation proved this theory to be false, so you don't see any such
tables today, indeed even the asociated Linn theory of unclamped discs
resting on soft felt matss has been effectively discarded, as all the
'high end' tables use clamps or vacuum hold-down to mostly acrylic or
other rigid platters.

And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.


That's more like it.


Yup, the Orbe is great value, and one of the best at any price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 28th 03 04:38 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:27:56 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.


What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.


So that it acted even more like the diaphragm of a microphone and caused
much earlier feedback?


The theory was that vibrations from the stylus would be dissipated
into the air instead of reflected by the platter. Experience and
observation proved this theory to be false, so you don't see any such
tables today, indeed even the asociated Linn theory of unclamped discs
resting on soft felt matss has been effectively discarded, as all the
'high end' tables use clamps or vacuum hold-down to mostly acrylic or
other rigid platters.

And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.


That's more like it.


Yup, the Orbe is great value, and one of the best at any price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 28th 03 04:38 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:32:05 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

what about the aesthetics of it tho, never mind the practicality..........


Buy an Oracle...............

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.


--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 28th 03 04:38 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:32:05 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

what about the aesthetics of it tho, never mind the practicality..........


Buy an Oracle...............

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 03:14:23 GMT, "malcolm"
wrote:

very nicely engineered turntables and bits,


Indeed yes, and a true craftsman of the old school.

shame the CD project was
abandoned.


Not really, since CD has no need of precision mechanical engineering
outside the transport, which is almost always a perfectly adequate OEM
Sony or Philips unit.


--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Dave Plowman October 28th 03 06:18 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!


Heh heh. I was *given* a Transcriptors after the pickup jumped off a 45
with the same result - the whole thing was so softly sprung the slightest
knock could do this. So it had a very sad Ortophon SL15E.

I had it on the coffee table as an art object - for which it was better
suited.

--
*Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Dave Plowman October 28th 03 06:18 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!


Heh heh. I was *given* a Transcriptors after the pickup jumped off a 45
with the same result - the whole thing was so softly sprung the slightest
knock could do this. So it had a very sad Ortophon SL15E.

I had it on the coffee table as an art object - for which it was better
suited.

--
*Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Stewart Pinkerton October 29th 03 06:32 AM

RIP John Michell
 
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:18:42 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!


Heh heh. I was *given* a Transcriptors after the pickup jumped off a 45
with the same result - the whole thing was so softly sprung the slightest
knock could do this. So it had a very sad Ortophon SL15E.


Aww shucks, that was my phirst MC cart! :-(

I had it on the coffee table as an art object - for which it was better
suited.


Indeed yes - not forgetting its starring role in 'Clockwork Orange'.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton October 29th 03 06:32 AM

RIP John Michell
 
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:18:42 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
And, of course, if the pickup should accidently be knocked off its rest
with the turntable rotating but no disc, it would smash itself to pieces
on one of the pillars...


OUCH!


Heh heh. I was *given* a Transcriptors after the pickup jumped off a 45
with the same result - the whole thing was so softly sprung the slightest
knock could do this. So it had a very sad Ortophon SL15E.


Aww shucks, that was my phirst MC cart! :-(

I had it on the coffee table as an art object - for which it was better
suited.


Indeed yes - not forgetting its starring role in 'Clockwork Orange'.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

[email protected] October 29th 03 06:46 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article , Laurence Payne
wrote:

: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
: wrote:
:
: PJ wrote:
:
: Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .
:
:
: Who?
:
: Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
: lp on half-a-dozen pillars?
:
: What was the thinking behind that? Didn't other designers clamp the
: vinyl to a massive platter?


There may have been some real reasoning behind the design, based on then
current research -- that is, a connection between the lack of platter
beneath the record and reducing the deposit of dust on the record's outer
edge by changing the flow of air currents -- there was, I think, An AES
paper on this by Percy Wilson, then editor of the Gramophone, presented ca
1964, which I think ties in with the products introduction. The popularity
of the clamp and massive platter approach came much later than the 1960s.

[email protected] October 29th 03 06:46 PM

RIP John Michell
 
In article , Laurence Payne
wrote:

: On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:37:50 +0000, Old Fart at Play
: wrote:
:
: PJ wrote:
:
: Just heard on the grapevine , sadly he has died .
:
:
: Who?
:
: Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
: lp on half-a-dozen pillars?
:
: What was the thinking behind that? Didn't other designers clamp the
: vinyl to a massive platter?


There may have been some real reasoning behind the design, based on then
current research -- that is, a connection between the lack of platter
beneath the record and reducing the deposit of dust on the record's outer
edge by changing the flow of air currents -- there was, I think, An AES
paper on this by Percy Wilson, then editor of the Gramophone, presented ca
1964, which I think ties in with the products introduction. The popularity
of the clamp and massive platter approach came much later than the 1960s.

Laurence Payne October 29th 03 08:00 PM

RIP John Michell
 
On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:00:53 GMT, (Stewart
Pinkerton) wrote:

Were those the turntables that didn't have a platter? Balanced the
lp on half-a-dozen pillars?


That was a very old design from the Transcriptors days, the modern
GyroDec looks equally spectacular, but is a more conventional design.

What was the thinking behind that?


Some argued that the record should be allowed to flex naturally.

Didn't other designers clamp the
vinyl to a massive platter?


As do the current Michell turntables.


Oh right. Snake-oil.
I suspected as much when I used to read Hi-fi magazines (at college c.
1970)


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