A Audio, hi-fi and car audio  forum. Audio Banter

Go Back   Home » Audio Banter forum » UK Audio Newsgroups » uk.rec.audio (General Audio and Hi-Fi)
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

uk.rec.audio (General Audio and Hi-Fi) (uk.rec.audio) Discussion and exchange of hi-fi audio equipment.

Quad 34 Problem



 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old August 20th 08, 05:31 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 75
Default Quad 34 Problem

I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud high
pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static discharge
maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob
  #2 (permalink)  
Old August 20th 08, 06:45 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Woody[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 84
Default Quad 34 Problem

"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud high
pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static discharge
maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob




I think you need to go into a bit more detail - it clicks but does it
play music? Are the clicks as you move the volume control or after you
have moved it and taken your hand off?

Ultimately Quad kit is well made and relatively simple. If you can find
the handbook it probably contains the circuit diagram so should be
fairly easy for someone competent in electronics to repair. Or you can
send it to Quad in Huntingdon where they have a superb service
department.



--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com


  #3 (permalink)  
Old August 20th 08, 09:52 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 75
Default Quad 34 Problem

Woody wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud high
pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static discharge
maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob




I think you need to go into a bit more detail - it clicks but does it
play music? Are the clicks as you move the volume control or after you
have moved it and taken your hand off?


Yep - clicks as music played, as if a connection is loose, loud crackle,
and continue once hand removed. Slight occasional rustling noise when
volume set to zero. It's been on about 10 hours with no
improvement/deterioration. To add insult only one channel is working,
with both working when the mono button is pressed.

Ultimately Quad kit is well made and relatively simple. If you can find
the handbook it probably contains the circuit diagram so should be
fairly easy for someone competent in electronics to repair. Or you can
send it to Quad in Huntingdon where they have a superb service
department.

Yes - I gather, and if it was rare/loved I'd have it serviced. But as it
is it's not of any particular significance, and is quite old (sn 3942),
although it all looks new inside/out, apart from the volume knob. I
might get £30 on ebay making repair possibly uneconomic.
  #4 (permalink)  
Old August 21st 08, 08:06 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,668
Default Quad 34 Problem

In article , Rob
wrote:
Woody wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud
high pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static
discharge maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob




I think you need to go into a bit more detail - it clicks but does it
play music? Are the clicks as you move the volume control or after you
have moved it and taken your hand off?


Yep - clicks as music played, as if a connection is loose, loud crackle,
and continue once hand removed.


If the 'clicks' only occur *when* music is playing and you adjust the
volume control, then it does seem like a volume control problem. However if
you get clicks when you rotate the control without any music or input at
all, it may be a dc offset problem, not the volume control.

Slight occasional rustling noise when volume set to zero. It's been on
about 10 hours with no improvement/deterioration. To add insult only one
channel is working, with both working when the mono button is pressed.




Yes - I gather, and if it was rare/loved I'd have it serviced. But as it
is it's not of any particular significance, and is quite old (sn 3942),
although it all looks new inside/out, apart from the volume knob. I
might get £30 on ebay making repair possibly uneconomic.


Jings! I'd probably pay 30 quid for it! :-)

Slainte,

Jim

--
Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

  #5 (permalink)  
Old August 20th 08, 07:03 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
David Looser
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 1,883
Default Quad 34 Problem

"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few years.
When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud high pitched
clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static discharge maybe. It was
fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?


Sounds to me like poor contact between the volume control wiper and the
track caused by surface tarnishing whilst the amp was out of use. Using it
should cure the problem.

David.


  #6 (permalink)  
Old August 20th 08, 10:22 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
h.tees
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2
Default Quad 34 Problem


"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few years.
When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud high pitched
clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static discharge maybe. It was
fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob


It is the volume control that needs replacing. It's a very common problem
in most audio circuits of that age and the design of the control doesn't
help. No need to bin the preamp, just find another volume control.
Maplin will sell something suitable for around £2-3. I would solder it in
or
get a friend who can - you will save a fortune.


  #7 (permalink)  
Old August 21st 08, 06:29 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Woody[_3_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 84
Default Quad 34 Problem

"h.tees" wrote in message
...

"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud
high pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static
discharge maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob


It is the volume control that needs replacing. It's a very common
problem
in most audio circuits of that age and the design of the control
doesn't
help. No need to bin the preamp, just find another volume control.
Maplin will sell something suitable for around £2-3. I would solder
it in or
get a friend who can - you will save a fortune.




I don't think that may necessarily be the case. Quad were quite good
with their circuit design, and if the volume pot interfaced to a high
impedence load then it may not be the pot as such circuits were not
prone to that type of noise.

I suspect the problem here is dried out and/or leaky electrolytic
capacitors. Clicks whilst playing are typical of capacitors that are
leaking and affecting d.c. bias conditions.

I would agree that crackles whilst playing are also typical of a volume
pot that has gone noisy, but it should not do it at minimum volume where
the pot wiper is effectively earthed.

The loss of one channel that plays when the mono button is pressed says
one pre-amp is not working. I had a Q33 which had plug-in circuit
boards: it is just possible that this unit may be of the same
construction and that the boards have become dislodged. It might be an
idea to get the lid off and see if this is the case - if it has plug-in
boards even remove them, clean the contacts if necessary and put them
back. It might just cure everything.

Otherwise I stay with the cap theory.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com


  #8 (permalink)  
Old August 21st 08, 07:56 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Rob
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 75
Default Quad 34 Problem

Woody wrote:
"h.tees" wrote in message
...
"Rob" wrote in message
...
I've just plugged in a Quad 34 preamp that's been unused for a few
years. When I turn the volume control up there's a series of loud
high pitched clicks through the speakers, a bit like LP static
discharge maybe. It was fine last time it was used.

Does this sound like an expensive problem, or would I be better off
punting it on ebay, and buying another (about £80 it seems)?

Thanks, Rob

It is the volume control that needs replacing. It's a very common
problem
in most audio circuits of that age and the design of the control
doesn't
help. No need to bin the preamp, just find another volume control.
Maplin will sell something suitable for around £2-3. I would solder
it in or
get a friend who can - you will save a fortune.




I don't think that may necessarily be the case. Quad were quite good
with their circuit design, and if the volume pot interfaced to a high
impedence load then it may not be the pot as such circuits were not
prone to that type of noise.

I suspect the problem here is dried out and/or leaky electrolytic
capacitors. Clicks whilst playing are typical of capacitors that are
leaking and affecting d.c. bias conditions.

I would agree that crackles whilst playing are also typical of a volume
pot that has gone noisy, but it should not do it at minimum volume where
the pot wiper is effectively earthed.

The loss of one channel that plays when the mono button is pressed says
one pre-amp is not working. I had a Q33 which had plug-in circuit
boards: it is just possible that this unit may be of the same
construction and that the boards have become dislodged. It might be an
idea to get the lid off and see if this is the case - if it has plug-in
boards even remove them, clean the contacts if necessary and put them
back. It might just cure everything.

Otherwise I stay with the cap theory.



Thanks. Wouldn't surprise me given the age, and the fact it worked
before. Only one channel is working in stereo, with sound coming out of
both speakers in one side mono when the mono button is pressed; and,
there are no plugin boards except the phono - it happens on all inputs.
FWIW I took the top off and everything looks brand new and shiny - no
bulging/leaking caps for example.

Rob
  #9 (permalink)  
Old August 21st 08, 08:12 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim Lesurf[_2_]
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 2,668
Default Quad 34 Problem

In article , Woody
wrote:
"h.tees" wrote in message



I don't think that may necessarily be the case. Quad were quite good
with their circuit design, and if the volume pot interfaced to a high
impedence load then it may not be the pot as such circuits were not
prone to that type of noise.


Unless the unit has been badly mistreated I also have doubts that the pot
is to blame as they are quite high quality stepped attenuators. More likely
a poor connection or dud cap elsewhere.

I suspect the problem here is dried out and/or leaky electrolytic
capacitors. Clicks whilst playing are typical of capacitors that are
leaking and affecting d.c. bias conditions.


I also suspect something like that.

I would agree that crackles whilst playing are also typical of a volume
pot that has gone noisy, but it should not do it at minimum volume where
the pot wiper is effectively earthed.


The loss of one channel that plays when the mono button is pressed says
one pre-amp is not working. I had a Q33 which had plug-in circuit
boards: it is just possible that this unit may be of the same
construction and that the boards have become dislodged. It might be an
idea to get the lid off and see if this is the case - if it has plug-in
boards even remove them, clean the contacts if necessary and put them
back. It might just cure everything.


I'd also recommend that.

I am trying to recall if early 34s had their ICs in holders. If so,
something like that is a candidate.

Slainte,

Jim

--
Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me.
Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

  #10 (permalink)  
Old August 21st 08, 08:36 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
external usenet poster
 
Posts: 5,872
Default Quad 34 Problem

In article ,
Jim Lesurf wrote:
Unless the unit has been badly mistreated I also have doubts that the
pot is to blame as they are quite high quality stepped attenuators. More
likely a poor connection or dud cap elsewhere.


Is it a stepped attenuator or just a normal pot with mechanical indents? I
suspect the latter.

--
*Just remember...if the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT. The time now is 03:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.SEO by vBSEO 3.0.0
Copyright ©2004-2025 Audio Banter.
The comments are property of their posters.