rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

thx

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob"

Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.


** Yaaawnnnn ...

Not another idiot incapable of describing a simple lead.


Maaa....ateee ....

Is it one or two RCAs ?

Are they plugs or sockets ??

Is the 4 pin DIN on the END of the lead a male or a female ???

Do you even know the difference......

Did you win this mysterious lead in a raffle, find it on the side walk or
does it actually BELONG to some ****ing thing ????

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr........




...... Phil

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.

--
*Save the whale - I'll have it for my supper*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
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"Oddjob"

Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.


** Yaaawnnnn ...

Not another idiot incapable of describing a simple lead.


Maaa....ateee ....

Is it one or two RCAs ?

Are they plugs or sockets ??

Is the 4 pin DIN on the END of the lead a male or a female ???

Do you even know the difference......

Did you win this mysterious lead in a raffle, find it on the side walk or
does it actually BELONG to some ****ing thing ????


Phil, thanks for replying so quickly. I have a pair of leads (two)

the din ends are 4 pin (male) with locking ends with rca phono plugs.

You can see a picture he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup. You sound
aggressive and instantly dislikeable. You should know that Usenet is for
individuals interested in topics to discuss and glean information from other
individuals.

You obviously know so much, I wonder why you bother to subscribe to this
newsgroup.

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever
having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever
having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim
equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for Naim
or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made by
Mogami.

What is Tuchel?

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob"
"Phil Allison"

Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.


** Yaaawnnnn ...

Not another idiot incapable of describing a simple lead.


Maaa....ateee ....

Is it one or two RCAs ?

Are they plugs or sockets ??

Is the 4 pin DIN on the END of the lead a male or a female ???

Do you even know the difference......

Did you win this mysterious lead in a raffle, find it on the side walk or
does it actually BELONG to some ****ing thing ????


Phil, thanks for replying so quickly. I have a pair of leads (two)

the din ends are 4 pin (male) with locking ends with rca phono plugs.


** WRONG.


You can see a picture he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm


** I see a pair of **single ** RCA plug to 4 pin DIN leads.

**** knows how they are wired.


There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup.


** ANONYMOUS, TIME WASTING, ****WIT TROLLS like YOU

ABSOLUTELY do *** NOT *** get to say what needs exist anywhere.

I repeat :

Did you win these mysterious lead in a raffle, find them on the side walk or
do they it actually BELONG to some ****ing thing ????

And if you have no bloody idea -

how the **** would YOU be one tad better of by knowing ???




...... Phil

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

Phil, I think you have a serious personality disorder.

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob"


** I think you are yet another

boring as bat ****,

pathetic attention seeking,

narcissistic, ****ing PITA AUDIOPHOOL

ASININE TROLLING ****WIT.


Without the slightest doubt.





..... Phil

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob" wrote in message
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall ever
having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim
equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for Naim
or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made by
Mogami.

What is Tuchel?


Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a number
of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as video camera
connectors as they were available with many pins, not just four. They also
had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used in German studio
jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6 poles, so could be
used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK we've always used the
Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants (A Gauge, B Gauge,
Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or balanced mono.

It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and
phono, but what for, who knows.
S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application
an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall
ever having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim
equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for
Naim or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made
by Mogami.

What is Tuchel?


Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants
(A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
balanced mono.

It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and
phono, but what for, who knows.
S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com
By the way, these connectors are shown on the web site above, and they are
compatible with DIN connectors.
S.

--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Or could be a Touchel. Once common on some mics - but not 4 pin.

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

'Twas used by Quad for power amp connection. But in that application
an
adaptor for other makers would need two phonos.


Thanks for replying Dave, I have posted a picture of the leads he

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/a.cecot...s/mogami-1.htm

Looks like a Tuchel to me, rather than a DIN, but I too can't recall
ever having seen a 4 pin one.
How did you come by it?

I picked up a few leads at a local auction. There was also some Naim
equipment that I didn't manage to purchase. I was thinking it was for
Naim or perhaps Linn gear. The cable is Neglex 2534 microphone cable made
by Mogami.

What is Tuchel?


Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants
(A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
balanced mono.

It looks like someone has made up some adapter cables between Tuchel and
phono, but what for, who knows.

Thanks for that Serge, I've done some more searching and I'm coming to the
conclusion that the lead may be for connecting Naim equipment to non-Naim
equipment.
I believe that some older Naim gear used 4 pin DIN connectors. The leads
that I bought were possibly from a bankrupt audio shop or dealer and would
have been useful for demoing different equipment. Naim produce a Snaic 4
lead for something??

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message

What is Tuchel?


Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several variants
(A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
balanced mono.


The ability to have a pair of balanced inputs or one set of inputs
and outputs on one connector, made the Tuchel versatile.
You could patch the input and output of a compressor
with just one cable. In addition, the blades which made
up the conducting surface on the female socket
were spring loaded so pushing in the connector performed
a cleaning action. They were incredibly reliable.

Iain

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
. fi...


"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Oddjob" wrote in message

What is Tuchel?


Tuchel is a German manufacturer of connectors, now part of Amphenol
http://www.amphenol.info/en/index.shtml
They made a sort of bayonet-locking DIN connector which was used in a
number of microphones in years gone by, and they were also popular as
video camera connectors as they were available with many pins, not just
four. They also had a special type of multipole jack plug and socket used
in German studio jackfields which had the advantage of providing up to 6
poles, so could be used for balanced stereo patching, whereas in the UK
we've always used the Post Office Tip Ring Sleeve jack in several
variants
(A Gauge, B Gauge, Bantam), which could be used for unbalanced stereo or
balanced mono.


The ability to have a pair of balanced inputs or one set of inputs
and outputs on one connector, made the Tuchel versatile.
You could patch the input and output of a compressor
with just one cable. In addition, the blades which made
up the conducting surface on the female socket
were spring loaded so pushing in the connector performed
a cleaning action. They were incredibly reliable.

Iain



Yes they were, but the benefit of half-normalled jackfields (or even fully
normalled) to my mind outweighed the benefits of the Tuchel. It's
interesting (at least to me who's a bit strange in these matters) that the
BBC have chosen the Swiss Ghielmetti patch panels that provide similar
reliability to the Tuchel, plus the ability to insert and/or monitor on the
same panel like a normalled or semi-normalled PO jackfield. These are now in
use at Bush House and the refurbished Broadcasting House.

S.
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http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

There is no need to use language like that on this newsgroup.


** ANONYMOUS, TIME WASTING, ****WIT TROLLS like YOU

ABSOLUTELY do *** NOT *** get to say what needs exist anywhere.

I repeat :

Did you win these mysterious lead in a raffle, find them on the side walk or
do they it actually BELONG to some ****ing thing ????

And if you have no bloody idea -

how the **** would YOU be one tad better of by knowing ???




..... Phil







Ummmm.. That was a "polite" reply originally...

now you've got him started!...
--
Tony Sayer

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article ,
Oddjob wrote:
I believe that some older Naim gear used 4 pin DIN connectors. The leads
that I bought were possibly from a bankrupt audio shop or dealer and
would have been useful for demoing different equipment. Naim produce a
Snaic 4 lead for something??

Naim did indeed use 4 pin connectors on their early gear and IIRC it was
ring locking DIN - which would also mate with ordinary DIN plugs. There's
a third type with a latch - similar to XLRs. But I'm pretty certain it was
the same as Quad - stereo - on the one I remember which was an NAP 250. Of
course they may have used the same connector on their later mono amps.
Naim never did use logic. ;-)

--
*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Oddjob" wrote in message
...
Hello everyone, I have an RCA phono to 4 pin DIN cable.

The DIN end has a locking screw thread. I think this is a locking DIN
connector??

Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

thx


4-pin DIN was used by Quad and Naim some years ago, and I think some B&O.
Could be an adaptor to use between one of these and any other manufacturer's
kit.

GMac

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,

Naim did indeed use 4 pin connectors on their early gear and IIRC it was
ring locking DIN - which would also mate with ordinary DIN plugs. There's
a third type with a latch - similar to XLRs. But I'm pretty certain it was
the same as Quad - stereo - on the one I remember which was an NAP 250. Of
course they may have used the same connector on their later mono amps.
Naim never did use logic. ;-)

A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Iain

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the
audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp
etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic
environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end
equipment.

S.

--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

--
*Frankly, scallop, I don't give a clam

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the
audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp
etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic
environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end
equipment.

S.
When I built the Ben Duncan/Audio Synthesis a few years ago there was the
option of balanced or unbalanced for the phono stage. I opted for balanced
but of course never had the chance to compare with unbalanced so don't know
if it made any difference to the sound. Just seemed like a good idea at the
time....

GMac

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
.fi...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain


Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

S.
--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
.fi...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain


Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

S.
--
Sounds familiar - I recall David Heaton (Audio Synthesis) did some rewiring
on the arm leadout - SME IV - to suit the balanced input on my AMP02.

GMac

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
.fi...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain


Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive
Iain

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

Oddjob wrote...


Does anybody know what this is used for?
I have no encountered 4 pin DIN before.

Flashback Sales specialise in Quad/Naim/DIN cables
a description of your set can be found on the website
at.

http://www.flashbacksales.co.uk/

--
Ken

http://www.members.lycos.co.uk/buddyduck/

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article , Serge Auckland
scribeth thus

"Iain Churches" wrote in message
i.fi...


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good
connector for a balanced phono cartridge.
I have sen them used on several occasions
in this application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Inherently yes, but they are wired unbalanced
and brought out on an RCA phono connector
except on some broadcast turntables.

Iain


Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

S.

Didn't they use to make a disc reproducer at Pye TVT back in ummm.. 1970
ish that was balanced with a transformer input, or was that a tad before
when U were there?...
--
Tony Sayer

rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.

Slainte,

Jim

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rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

In article , Serge Auckland
wrote:


Yes they are, and it's always been a surprise to me that with all the
audiophoolery over balanced outputs for CD players, pre-amp to power amp
etc, the one input that could usefully be balanced even in a domestic
environment, i.e. the phono input, never is, even in audiophool high-end
equipment.

Perhaps the problem here is that to really make use of balanced operation
you'd need to avoid using conventional coax and a phono/RCA socket.
Otherwise you are trying to use a balanced/symmetric source with a cable
geometry which isn't symmetric.

Slainte,

Jim

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rca phono - 4 pin DIN
 

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.

Slainte,

Jim

--
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http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm
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The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the tag,
the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
balanced devices.

S.
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"Jim Lesurf"


Perhaps the problem here is that to really make use of balanced operation


** So what IS the use of a " balanced " connection for a phono pickup ??

( And of high Z off all stupid things)

Please do not say it reduces noise or hum - cos that is total ********.




.... Phil

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"Serge Auckland"


The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the
tag, the cartridge is then balanced.


** Nonsense - with no earth link, the two coils become merely "floating".


I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
balanced devices.


** The correct term is " floating ".

Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.



...... Phil

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Phil Allison wrote:

"Serge Auckland"


The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the
tag, the cartridge is then balanced.

** Nonsense - with no earth link, the two coils become merely "floating".

I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
balanced devices.

** The correct term is " floating ".

Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.

..... Phil

Phil,

Your'e right.

One might make use of a floating winding to give a balanced input
source,
if you have say 22k + 22k resistors at the amp to terminate the MM cart
winding.
The R join of the R taken to 0V,
and the two oppositely phased signals at the live ends of the R are
taken to
a pair of amp inputs, with the amp operating as a differential pair.

Noise and hum isn't always reduced if this way is used to connect an MM
cart to an amp......

Patrick Turner.

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Serge Auckland wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the leads?
I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.

Slainte,

Jim

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The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to the
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity to
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the tag,
the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of cartridge,
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
balanced devices.

Your'e not distinguishing the difference between balanced and floating.

You might use a floating winding that has no part of it directly
connected to a ground anywhere
to make a balanced connection with an R divider at an amp.

Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.

And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
distances.
Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.

It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
a normal
unbalanced phono input.

Patrick Turner.




S.
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On 26/08/08 20:02, in article
, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

(...)

Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive

Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.

Nice but expensive are LEMO connectors.

--
Joe Kotroczo

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In article ,
Patrick Turner wrote:
Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.

But will have been used at least somewhere on the material you listen to
- all reasonable quality microphones are balanced as are the inputs and
outputs on the rest of the chain. Ignoring digital throughout - as most
do.

And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
distances.
Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.

It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
a normal
unbalanced phono input.

Hopefully.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Patrick Turner" wrote in message
...


Serge Auckland wrote:

"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
...
In article , Dave Plowman (News)
wrote:
In article , Iain
Churches wrote:
A four pin miniature Tuchel is a good connector for a balanced phono
cartridge. I have sen them used on several occasions in this
application.

Aren't all phono cartridges - apart from Decca - effectively balanced?

Do any of them include an electrostatic screen linked to one of the
leads?
I can't recall any, but the above makes me wonder.

Slainte,

Jim

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The Shure V15II and III have a little brass tag which links the can to
the
left ground connection. If the arm has a metal headshell and continuity
to
the arm ground wire, then the tag can (should?) be removed. Without the
tag,
the cartridge is then balanced. I don't know about other makes of
cartridge,
they could well have the can bonded to one pin, in which case they would
then be unbalanced, or rely on the headshell, in which case they would be
balanced. MC cartridges, which don't have any screening usually, would be
balanced devices.

Your'e not distinguishing the difference between balanced and floating.

You might use a floating winding that has no part of it directly
connected to a ground anywhere
to make a balanced connection with an R divider at an amp.

Balanced does not always give better hi-fi.

And balanced was first used in telephones, to reduce noise over long
distances.
Twisted pairs and common mode rejection etc.

It makes little difference to noise over 2 metres if you know how to rig
a normal
unbalanced phono input.

Patrick Turner.



I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge, which,
agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The floating
cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced, especially in the case of
moving-coils. Moving Magnets may not be quite so well balanced as the
physical size of the coils will often make one end of coils nearer the
screening can than the other, but nevertheless, they can be considered as
balanced, floating devices for practical purposes. - Try centre-tapped
terminating the coils, and taking the output between the centre-tap and
screening can to see the out-of-balance. I would suggest it will be very
low, and confined to very high-frequencies as the unbalance will be
capacitative.

I fully agree that balance doesn't necessarily give better hi-fi, but as
with microphone circuits, it's good practice to balance low-level signals
where this is possible. Given that a cartridge is essentially a balanced
device, I would have thought that the High-End Audiophool community would
have latched on to balanced phono circuits, rather than the rather less
beneficial balanced CD inputs, or pre-power amp links. It goes to show that
the HEAP community hasn't the first idea of engineering principles.

S.



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"Joe Kotroczo" wrote in message
...
On 26/08/08 20:02, in article
, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

(...)

Although on many (most?) arms, the unbalancing is done at the connector
(often a 5 pin DIN) under the arm, so could easily be continued using
balanced cable and a 5 pin DIN if XLRs were considered too "pro".

Those miniature XLRs are nifty too, but expensive

Expensive? They're less than 5 Euro/piece.

I don't mean the standard XLR but the miniature type.

A DIN connector is about Euro 0.015

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"Serge Auckland"


I'm referring to the common Hi-Fi practice of taking a cartridge, which,
agreed is normally floating, into an unbalanced input. The floating
cartridge is also usually pretty well balanced,


** Utterly meaningless drivel - the correct term is " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


Moving Magnets may not be quite so well balanced as the physical size of
the coils will often make one end of coils nearer the screening can than
the other, but nevertheless, they can be considered as balanced, floating
devices for practical purposes.


** Utterly meaningless drivel - the correct term is " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


I fully agree that balance doesn't necessarily give better hi-fi, but as
with microphone circuits, it's good practice to balance low-level signals
where this is possible.


** More pseudo religious, anti-scientific drivel.

Par for the course for this trolling pommy ******.


Given that a cartridge is essentially a balanced device,


** Utterly meaningless drivel - the correct term is " floating ".
Balancing infers differential mode amplification, twisted pair cables etc,
etc.


I would have thought that the High-End Audiophool community would have
latched on to balanced phono circuits,

** Not even possible - for the damn obvious reasons that normal tone arm
leads preclude it.


rather than the rather less beneficial balanced CD inputs, or pre-power
amp links. It goes to show that the HEAP community hasn't the first idea
of engineering principles.


** Nor have utter ****wits like YOU - pal.




...... Phil