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Old October 28th 08, 07:38 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
TonyL
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I have a couple of elderly Wharfedale speaker units, originally bought as
kits. Since popping one of the 12" bass drivers they have been in retirement
but I recently replaced them with some generic 12" units and they sound OK,
considering their age. I want to use them as super duper PC speakers and
need an amplifier to drive them from the line level output of my Creative
Soundblaster card. The advice of you pundits would be appreciated.

I'm guessing around 50 W per channel. No frills, just low THD, low noise,
cheap, flat response. I'm prepared to build stuff so long as the component
count is low... monolithic amp modules, perhaps ?

What about something like this ?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...5& doy=search

That tempts me because I happen to have a 20A 13.8 V power supply lying
around.

Thanks for your help

TonyL




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Old October 28th 08, 07:56 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Don Pearce
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TonyL wrote:
I have a couple of elderly Wharfedale speaker units, originally bought as
kits. Since popping one of the 12" bass drivers they have been in retirement
but I recently replaced them with some generic 12" units and they sound OK,
considering their age. I want to use them as super duper PC speakers and
need an amplifier to drive them from the line level output of my Creative
Soundblaster card. The advice of you pundits would be appreciated.

I'm guessing around 50 W per channel. No frills, just low THD, low noise,
cheap, flat response. I'm prepared to build stuff so long as the component
count is low... monolithic amp modules, perhaps ?

What about something like this ?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...5& doy=search

That tempts me because I happen to have a 20A 13.8 V power supply lying
around.

Thanks for your help

TonyL





If you are looking for a project, that is fine. If what you really want
is to get the speakers up and running, just find a nice cheap amp on
Ebay. Don't worry about power once you are past about 20 watts - it
really makes very little difference.

d
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Old October 28th 08, 08:39 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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"TonyL" wrote in message
...
I have a couple of elderly Wharfedale speaker units, originally bought as
kits. Since popping one of the 12" bass drivers they have been in
retirement
but I recently replaced them with some generic 12" units and they sound
OK,
considering their age. I want to use them as super duper PC speakers and
need an amplifier to drive them from the line level output of my Creative
Soundblaster card. The advice of you pundits would be appreciated.

I'm guessing around 50 W per channel. No frills, just low THD, low noise,
cheap, flat response. I'm prepared to build stuff so long as the component
count is low... monolithic amp modules, perhaps ?

What about something like this ?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...5& doy=search

That tempts me because I happen to have a 20A 13.8 V power supply lying
around.


You can probably run it off of the extra amps in the 12 volt power supply of
your PC, provided you modify the remote power-on line so that it comes on
after the PC has had a chance to stabilize.


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Old October 28th 08, 11:35 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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In article ,
TonyL wrote:
I have a couple of elderly Wharfedale speaker units, originally bought
as kits. Since popping one of the 12" bass drivers they have been in
retirement but I recently replaced them with some generic 12" units and
they sound OK, considering their age. I want to use them as super duper
PC speakers and need an amplifier to drive them from the line level
output of my Creative Soundblaster card. The advice of you pundits would
be appreciated.


I'm guessing around 50 W per channel. No frills, just low THD, low
noise, cheap, flat response. I'm prepared to build stuff so long as the
component count is low... monolithic amp modules, perhaps ?


What about something like this ?

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...5& doy=search

That tempts me because I happen to have a 20A 13.8 V power supply lying
around.


I'd not go for bridge output units unless you really need to - like in a
car. Their specs may read well - but rarely translates into the actual
sound from them.

I'd have a look on Ebay for something like an NAD 3020 power amp which
should cost no more but sound rather better.

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Old October 29th 08, 06:17 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Woody[_3_]
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"TonyL" wrote in message
...
I have a couple of elderly Wharfedale speaker units, originally bought
as
kits. Since popping one of the 12" bass drivers they have been in
retirement
but I recently replaced them with some generic 12" units and they
sound OK,
considering their age. I want to use them as super duper PC speakers
and
need an amplifier to drive them from the line level output of my
Creative
Soundblaster card. The advice of you pundits would be appreciated.

I'm guessing around 50 W per channel. No frills, just low THD, low
noise,
cheap, flat response. I'm prepared to build stuff so long as the
component
count is low... monolithic amp modules, perhaps ?

What about something like this ?
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...5& doy=search

That tempts me because I happen to have a 20A 13.8 V power supply
lying
around.

Thanks for your help

TonyL







The speakers should have a badge or label on them somewhere which will
indicate the model.

Wharfedales up to about the Glendale were usually rated about 30W, 50W
at most. The bigger speakers were often rated 50W as they were less
efficient.

Two things to remember:
You can blow a speaker (usually the tweeters) with an underpowered amp,
but you are unlikely to damage them with too much power - they will
complain long before that happens.
Most PC sound cards are designed to work with poor quality inefficient
desktop speakers. As such the designers don't worry too much about noise
levels. With a good amp and half decent speakers that noise could be
objectionable (particularly buzz from the power supply,) so if you go
down this road be prepared to have the speakers a distance away from
your desktop.

As others have said, have a look around on fleabay for anything by NAD,
Cambridge, Marantz, Sony, or even visit your local Richer Sounds who may
have a Manager's Special that suits the need. Ideally you should feed
the amp from from a sound card line output which will have a much better
level match and lower distortion than the speaker output. The only
disadvantage is that the Windoze volume control may not adjust the line
level.

Finally, beware of the earth loop buzz as both the amp and the PC will
be earthed. If it does occur in this case disconnect the earth wire in
the amp mains plug but leave the PC earthed.


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Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com


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Old October 29th 08, 03:26 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Glenn Richards
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Woody wrote:

Most PC sound cards are designed to work with poor quality inefficient
desktop speakers. As such the designers don't worry too much about noise
levels. With a good amp and half decent speakers that noise could be
objectionable (particularly buzz from the power supply,) so if you go
down this road be prepared to have the speakers a distance away from
your desktop.


Mmmm... PC soundcards, don't go there. The analogue stage on most of
them is pretty dire.

Somewhat OTT but I've got one of these:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=34128

feeding an Arcam Black Box 50 (£150 off eBay) into a Technics SU-VX600
(bought new in 1992) driving a pair of Celestion 1s (bought new for £90
in 1996). Sounds awesome!

Oh, alright. I've got it strung together with Chord Cobra II
interconnects and Audio Innovations Silver Micro speaker cable... *pokes
tongue out*

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http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/ Fax: (01453) 843773

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Old October 29th 08, 10:41 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
TonyL
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Default PC to Wharfdales

Thanks for your comments all,

I'll look out on Ebay for an amp. The soundcard is a Creative XtremeGamer,
based on the EMU20K1 chipset with a claimed S/N of 109dB. Audio quality
sounds good through my Sennheiser HD222 headphones.

TonyL


 




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