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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 11:19:35 -0500, Kalman Rubinson wrote:
After reading this again and again, all I can say is (1) the OP should
tell us what his application is and why he is using such non-descript
components and (2) this post is a good argument for top-posting.

There is no good argument for top posting, just as there is no good
argument for urinating in public on the floor in dance halls, failing
to wash one's hands after defecating then shaking hands with one's
visitors or any other item of behaviour which might save oneself a
few seconds, but is ultimately to the detriment of the society in
which one exists.

It is especially unwelcome in uk.*, please see:

http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:25:43 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:
There is no good argument for top posting, just as there is no good
argument for urinating in public on the floor in dance halls, failing
to wash one's hands after defecating then shaking hands with one's
visitors or any other item of behaviour which might save oneself a
few seconds, but is ultimately to the detriment of the society in
which one exists.

Talk about pained analogies......

Kal

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 20:25:43 -0000, Anthony Edwards
wrote:
There is no good argument for top posting, just as there is no good
argument for urinating in public on the floor in dance halls, failing
to wash one's hands after defecating then shaking hands with one's
visitors or any other item of behaviour which might save oneself a
few seconds, but is ultimately to the detriment of the society in
which one exists.

Talk about pained analogies......

Kal

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:51:46 -0500
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Talk about pained analogies......

If you dont like it, f**k off.

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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:51:46 -0500
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Talk about pained analogies......

If you dont like it, f**k off.

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:42:09 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:51:46 -0500
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Talk about pained analogies......

If you dont like it, f**k off.

Nope. Not offended, just amused.

kal

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 23:42:09 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:51:46 -0500
Kalman Rubinson wrote:

Talk about pained analogies......

If you dont like it, f**k off.

Nope. Not offended, just amused.

kal

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

: In article , Laurence
: Payne wrote:

: "Power is conveyed by the EM fields" is meaningless gobbledygook.
:
: Sorry if what I wrote was not clear to you. If you examine the energy of
: the EM fields in and around components you will find that what I said is
: formally correct. For example, look at the Poynting vector values around
: conducting wires and resistors. You then find that the actual power is
: conveyed 'along' wires by the EM fields external to the wires. The levels of
: the internal field powers are relatively tiny. Similarly, the Poynting
: vector on the surface of a resistor points inwards, and its integral over
: the surface equals the power dissipation. Thus the field is 'guided' to the
: resistive component by the fields outside the conductors, and for all
: practical purposes only that portion which is dissipated in a component
: actually enters it.
:
: If my explanations are not clear, I'd recommend the texts by people like
: Kraus (Electromagnetics) or Ramo et al as they cover this sort of thing in
: much more detail that I can explain here.

Interesting stuff;-) Bearden mentions an illustration from "John D.
Kraus, Electromagnetics, Fourth Edn., McGraw-Hill, New York, 1992. Figure
12-60, a and b, p. 578 shows a good drawing of the huge energy flow
filling all space around the conductors, with almost all of it not
intercepted and thus not diverged into the circuit to power it, but just
"wasted"." in one of his correspondence pages [1] and shows a slide
http://www.cheniere.org/briefings/ci...rrents/004.htm

: Some estimates (based upon the standard EM texts) of the kinds of values
: for the power levels in the external fields and in wires are on some of the
: pages in the 'Scots Guide' in my sig if you are interested. Similar
: calculations are probably findable in some of the standard texts.

I had a quick scan through looking for them but didn't find them:-)
Nevertheless the slide above shows some marked contours.
Then, there's the Heaviside component that Lorentz discarded, next ...

My formal education is not up to understanding the rigorous physics and
mathematics presented and referred to in some places on the site, but I've
been finding Bearden's assertions and writings challenging and extremely
interesting over recent months! (there's a lot of it:-) (some 250MB maybe!)

Perhaps you might too ... it's obvious that he cops disbelieving flak from
mainstream EE's with deeply entrenched formal educations - maybe my lack of
depth in same makes it a little easier to have a somewhat open mind (not,
as the old joke goes, so open that the brains fall out, I hope;-) - but the
more rigorous presentations and papers and essays as well as the more
accessible explanations certainly seem to me to embody scientific method in
the sense of new theory that is borne out by the esoteric particle and
quantum physics experiments and observations described, etcetera...

Tesla obviously had a handle on some interesting phenonema ...

There's a lot of "very way out" stuff there at first glance, too, be aware!
Yet if the background "new" physics and EM theory IS sound, well ...
We may be living in "interesting times" indeed ...

: Slainte,
:
: Jim

Regards,
Ross Matheson

[1] http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/051201.htm

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Jim Lesurf wrote:

: In article , Laurence
: Payne wrote:

: "Power is conveyed by the EM fields" is meaningless gobbledygook.
:
: Sorry if what I wrote was not clear to you. If you examine the energy of
: the EM fields in and around components you will find that what I said is
: formally correct. For example, look at the Poynting vector values around
: conducting wires and resistors. You then find that the actual power is
: conveyed 'along' wires by the EM fields external to the wires. The levels of
: the internal field powers are relatively tiny. Similarly, the Poynting
: vector on the surface of a resistor points inwards, and its integral over
: the surface equals the power dissipation. Thus the field is 'guided' to the
: resistive component by the fields outside the conductors, and for all
: practical purposes only that portion which is dissipated in a component
: actually enters it.
:
: If my explanations are not clear, I'd recommend the texts by people like
: Kraus (Electromagnetics) or Ramo et al as they cover this sort of thing in
: much more detail that I can explain here.

Interesting stuff;-) Bearden mentions an illustration from "John D.
Kraus, Electromagnetics, Fourth Edn., McGraw-Hill, New York, 1992. Figure
12-60, a and b, p. 578 shows a good drawing of the huge energy flow
filling all space around the conductors, with almost all of it not
intercepted and thus not diverged into the circuit to power it, but just
"wasted"." in one of his correspondence pages [1] and shows a slide
http://www.cheniere.org/briefings/ci...rrents/004.htm

: Some estimates (based upon the standard EM texts) of the kinds of values
: for the power levels in the external fields and in wires are on some of the
: pages in the 'Scots Guide' in my sig if you are interested. Similar
: calculations are probably findable in some of the standard texts.

I had a quick scan through looking for them but didn't find them:-)
Nevertheless the slide above shows some marked contours.
Then, there's the Heaviside component that Lorentz discarded, next ...

My formal education is not up to understanding the rigorous physics and
mathematics presented and referred to in some places on the site, but I've
been finding Bearden's assertions and writings challenging and extremely
interesting over recent months! (there's a lot of it:-) (some 250MB maybe!)

Perhaps you might too ... it's obvious that he cops disbelieving flak from
mainstream EE's with deeply entrenched formal educations - maybe my lack of
depth in same makes it a little easier to have a somewhat open mind (not,
as the old joke goes, so open that the brains fall out, I hope;-) - but the
more rigorous presentations and papers and essays as well as the more
accessible explanations certainly seem to me to embody scientific method in
the sense of new theory that is borne out by the esoteric particle and
quantum physics experiments and observations described, etcetera...

Tesla obviously had a handle on some interesting phenonema ...

There's a lot of "very way out" stuff there at first glance, too, be aware!
Yet if the background "new" physics and EM theory IS sound, well ...
We may be living in "interesting times" indeed ...

: Slainte,
:
: Jim

Regards,
Ross Matheson

[1] http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/051201.htm