TT wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with Windows
7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.
Brian

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Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to the
next M$ operating system?

Cheers TT


Well it is free if you know where to look

"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
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TT wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.
Brian

--
Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to the
next M$ operating system?

Cheers TT
Well it is free if you know where to look

What service pack number is it up to already? And how many dodgy drivers
are included :-))

It will take a lot to get me away from XP Pro ;-)

Cheers TT

TT wrote:
"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
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TT wrote:
"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.
Brian

--
Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to the
next M$ operating system?

Cheers TT
Well it is free if you know where to look

What service pack number is it up to already? And how many dodgy drivers
are included :-))
so far proving not to need them

installed ferpectly on a quad xeon (3 gig) with 11 gig ram and 6x174
gig scsi...

It will take a lot to get me away from XP Pro ;-)
it's ok for a home o/s I guess
maybe you should try a real o/s from one of the unix areas ?

Cheers TT

"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message news:gpo9
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TT wrote:


Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to
the next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

What service pack number is it up to already? And how many dodgy drivers
are included :-))

so far proving not to need them
installed ferpectly on a quad xeon (3 gig) with 11 gig ram and 6x174 gig
scsi...

It will take a lot to get me away from XP Pro ;-)

it's ok for a home o/s I guess
maybe you should try a real o/s from one of the unix areas ?

Why? If XP does everything that you need, who needs the steep learning
curve of (say) Linux?

I have been running Linux since before v1.0 came out, have written numerous
drivers
and several applications and even with Wine or VMWare am still unable to run
many of my Comms programs and so still require Win3.11, Win98SE and WinXP to
accommodate all of it.

Apart from that, because it's not in daily use, I sometimes need to look up
the command line instructions if I want to change anything requiring root
privileges.
And that's from someone who began using the source code & compiling kernels
in 1991!

Linux is for people with a mainframe (Unix) background or a university
degree in IT. It is not for Mr & Mrs Joe Average no matter what you say,
even if the GUI's are becoming more user friendly every day. Try getting a
novice to install (say) Apache, or even find & install Midnight Commander on
their Linux box & you'll see what I mean.

ruff

"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
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TT wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to the
next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

That is, until one late night when you've misplaced your glasses you allow
Micro$oft's Genuine Advantage so-called 'update' download onto your machine
& then up comes a message that says that the software isn't genuine & the
screen changes to black!

Great stuff. But a $225.00 purchase of a genuine Micro$soft WinXP will
alleviate the problem, and after all, everyone should own at least one
genuine copy.

ruff

roughplanet wrote:
"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
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TT wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
. ..

Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to the
next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

That is, until one late night when you've misplaced your glasses you allow
Micro$oft's Genuine Advantage so-called 'update' download onto your machine
& then up comes a message that says that the software isn't genuine & the
screen changes to black!

Great stuff. But a $225.00 purchase of a genuine Micro$soft WinXP will
alleviate the problem, and after all, everyone should own at least one
genuine copy.

ruff


He's talking about a free beta which self-destructs in August. I've been
trying it, it's not too bad, a lot better than Vista, but I'll stick
with my XP pro for now. Linux is OK but Photoshop doesn't run too well
under it and The Gimp is a pretty poor substitute. Its also kind of
difficult to develop C# apps under Linux.

Keith

"keithr" wrote in message
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roughplanet wrote:

"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
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TT wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
. ..

Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to
the next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

That is, until one late night when you've misplaced your glasses you
allow Micro$oft's Genuine Advantage so-called 'update' download onto your
machine & then up comes a message that says that the software isn't
genuine & the screen changes to black!

Great stuff. But a $225.00 purchase of a genuine Micro$soft WinXP will
alleviate the problem, and after all, everyone should own at least one
genuine copy.

He's talking about a free beta which self-destructs in August. I've been
trying it, it's not too bad, a lot better than Vista, but I'll stick with
my XP pro for now. Linux is OK but Photoshop doesn't run too well under it
and The Gimp is a pretty poor substitute. Its also kind of difficult to
develop C# apps under Linux.

Then use Python instead. It's a bloody sight easier to use & the outcomes,
in my experience, are pretty much the same, if a tad slower. Besides, you
can hang it on C++ code with a linker & voila! You have your app ready made
:-).

ruff

roughplanet wrote:
"keithr" wrote in message
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roughplanet wrote:

"atec 77" "atec 7 7 wrote in message
...

TT wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
. ..

Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to
the next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

That is, until one late night when you've misplaced your glasses you
allow Micro$oft's Genuine Advantage so-called 'update' download onto your
machine & then up comes a message that says that the software isn't
genuine & the screen changes to black!

Great stuff. But a $225.00 purchase of a genuine Micro$soft WinXP will
alleviate the problem, and after all, everyone should own at least one
genuine copy.

He's talking about a free beta which self-destructs in August. I've been
trying it, it's not too bad, a lot better than Vista, but I'll stick with
my XP pro for now. Linux is OK but Photoshop doesn't run too well under it
and The Gimp is a pretty poor substitute. Its also kind of difficult to
develop C# apps under Linux.

Then use Python instead. It's a bloody sight easier to use & the outcomes,
in my experience, are pretty much the same, if a tad slower. Besides, you
can hang it on C++ code with a linker & voila! You have your app ready made
:-).

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)

I have used Linux on and off over the years, especially SUSE but never
for serious work.

Keith

keithr wrote:

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.


I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)


Python being a loosely typed language, you could consider it the
exact opposite of Java which I despise as being the most uptight anal
language I've ever been forced to use. It was written by control freaks
for control freaks. I find C and C++ far easier to use than Java.

"Mark Harriss" wrote in message
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keithr wrote:

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

Yes it is Mark, but as you say, the printing commands still need work even
after 12 years of development.

I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)

Python being a loosely typed language, you could consider it the
exact opposite of Java which I despise as being the most uptight anal
language I've ever been forced to use. It was written by control freaks
for control freaks. I find C and C++ far easier to use than Java.

Hear bloody hear. Python is a dream language with little or no constructs to
observe.
Java was written by an anally retentive control freak for anally retentive
control freaks, and although I prefer the freedom of scripting languages,
like Python or Perl, I would rather code in C++ than Java anyday!

ruff