roughplanet wrote:
"keithr" wrote in message
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roughplanet wrote:

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TT wrote:

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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Never mind folks as Msoft will not be shipping a news reader with
Windows 7, nobody will know Usenet exists anyway after that.

Do believe after the fiasco of Vista that anyone will actually go to
the next M$ operating system?

Well it is free if you know where to look

That is, until one late night when you've misplaced your glasses you
allow Micro$oft's Genuine Advantage so-called 'update' download onto your
machine & then up comes a message that says that the software isn't
genuine & the screen changes to black!

Great stuff. But a $225.00 purchase of a genuine Micro$soft WinXP will
alleviate the problem, and after all, everyone should own at least one
genuine copy.

He's talking about a free beta which self-destructs in August. I've been
trying it, it's not too bad, a lot better than Vista, but I'll stick with
my XP pro for now. Linux is OK but Photoshop doesn't run too well under it
and The Gimp is a pretty poor substitute. Its also kind of difficult to
develop C# apps under Linux.

Then use Python instead. It's a bloody sight easier to use & the outcomes,
in my experience, are pretty much the same, if a tad slower. Besides, you
can hang it on C++ code with a linker & voila! You have your app ready made
:-).

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)

I have used Linux on and off over the years, especially SUSE but never
for serious work.

Keith

keithr wrote:

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.


I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)


Python being a loosely typed language, you could consider it the
exact opposite of Java which I despise as being the most uptight anal
language I've ever been forced to use. It was written by control freaks
for control freaks. I find C and C++ far easier to use than Java.

"Mark Harriss" wrote in message
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keithr wrote:

Never tried Python, I make my living with C#, Delphi, a little Perl, and
a weird scripting language that probably not more than 20 people in the
world use (or want to use). They all require Windows.

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

Yes it is Mark, but as you say, the printing commands still need work even
after 12 years of development.

I especially dislike C++ and Java, but I suspect that I will have to use
the latter at some point. I've been writing in Delphi on and off for the
last 14 years, but it is dying and C# is similar enough to seem familiar
(they were both architected by the same man)

Python being a loosely typed language, you could consider it the
exact opposite of Java which I despise as being the most uptight anal
language I've ever been forced to use. It was written by control freaks
for control freaks. I find C and C++ far easier to use than Java.

Hear bloody hear. Python is a dream language with little or no constructs to
observe.
Java was written by an anally retentive control freak for anally retentive
control freaks, and although I prefer the freedom of scripting languages,
like Python or Perl, I would rather code in C++ than Java anyday!

ruff

Mark Harriss wrote:

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

What is "the comercial version of Python"?

Daniele
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in
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Mark Harriss wrote:

Python is a really good interpreted programming language:
With careful design I've written image processing software with a GUI
that was developed and tested on a Linux box, used on a Mac running OSX
and could run on a windows PC. It ran on all three without modification.

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

What is "the comercial version of Python"?

Daniele
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Commercial releases of Python, of which I know of at least 12, are tailored
to connect Python to most major databases, including the following:

- MS Access
- MS SQL Server and
- Oracle
- MYSQL
- IBM DG2
- Informix
- etc.

on all major platforms, using a Python DB-API 2.0 standard compatible
interface.

The best of them IMHO is mxODBC (Open Database Connectivity) but don't be
misled by the title; the source code is NOT available

In addition, most of the commercial releases, whilst having drivers for M$
products, usually lag behind with other OS's like Linux, BSD, MacOS, Palm,
Nokia etc.

So unless you're writing code for a living, especially databases, you're
probably just as well served with the Linux version of Python, of which
version 3.01 (3.1 alpha 1) has just been released.

Happy coding.

ruff

roughplanet wrote:

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

What is "the comercial version of Python"?

The best of them IMHO is mxODBC (Open Database Connectivity) but don't be
misled by the title; the source code is NOT available

That's not a version of Python, it's an extension to Python.

So unless you're writing code for a living, especially databases, you're
probably just as well served with the Linux version of Python, of which
version 3.01 (3.1 alpha 1) has just been released.

I'm sorry, this is making less and less sense. There is no such thing as
"the Linux version of Python".

Daniele
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D.M. Procida wrote:
I'm sorry, this is making less and less sense. There is no such thing as
"the Linux version of Python".

Daniele

Ruff made perfect sense to me, I suppose you could apply a Java-like
interpretation of his phrasing and therefore not understand him.

http://www.python.org/download/linux/

Mark Harriss wrote:

I'm sorry, this is making less and less sense. There is no such thing as
"the Linux version of Python".

Ruff made perfect sense to me, I suppose you could apply a Java-like
interpretation of his phrasing and therefore not understand him.

http://www.python.org/download/linux/

If you actually read that page, you'll see that it isn't offering a
Linux version of Python, never mind *the* Linux version (and that's
because, as I pointed out, there isn't such a thing).

Python is available as source code. Binary releases are also available
for Mac OS X and Windows. Most Linux distributions include Python or
offer a binary package.

I'm still interested in this mysterious "commercial version" of Python.

Daniele
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in
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roughplanet wrote:

The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free version
which is no slouch either. Printing is still a bit of a pain though.

What is "the comercial version of Python"?

The best of them IMHO is mxODBC (Open Database Connectivity) but don't be
misled by the title; the source code is NOT available

That's not a version of Python, it's an extension to Python.

In the same way a GUI is an extension to an OS perhaps? Systems like Unix
and Linux generally implement programming languages as an application
program that runs outside the operating system. Whether the proprieatary GUI
should be included as part of the programming language is a point of
contention. It's also what makes a commercial version of Python as well.

So unless you're writing code for a living, especially databases, you're
probably just as well served with the Linux version of Python, of which
version 3.01 (3.1 alpha 1) has just been released.

I'm sorry, this is making less and less sense. There is no such thing as
"the Linux version of Python".

Are you serious? There are 'versions' of Python specifically tailored for
Linux in the same way as there are 'versions' specifically tailored for
Unix, WinXP or Vista.
The Open Source versions are not, but IDE's, GUI frameworks, applications
based on Python, Python embedded as a scripting language in proprietary
software, and versions of Python taking advantage of specific OS
instructions all do.

ruff

roughplanet wrote:

I'm sorry, this is making less and less sense. There is no such thing as
"the Linux version of Python".

Are you serious? There are 'versions' of Python specifically tailored for
Linux in the same way as there are 'versions' specifically tailored for
Unix, WinXP or Vista.

No, there are not.

There is Python. Any different 'versions' of it are successive releases,
not parallel releases for different systems.

Python's source code is available for users of computer systems with
appropriate compilers.

Binary packages *of the same thing* are also made available.

Most Linux distributions include or provide a packaged Python - again, a
package *of the same thing*. Obviously, they are packaged differently
for each distribution.

There is nothing in any of these that makes them in themselves faster or
slower than any other. They are all installations of the same thing.

This isn't a forum for discussing Python, so I'll drop it now. But your
claim "The commercial version of python is a lot faster than the free
version" is not merely not true, it doesn't even refer to things that
exist.

Daniele
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