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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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David Looser wrote:

"Laurence Payne" wrote in message
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 00:13:56 +0000, Adrian C
wrote:

The MS standard WAV recording utility, called "sound recorder", in all
versions of windows previous to Vista is unuseable for long length
recordings. You basically had to find another program.
You know the simple dodge that lets SR record any length you like, of
course?

What's the point?, you still need an audio editor if you are going to do
anything useful with the recording.

Audacity is an expensive way of getting a simple editor, though.


Pardon? Do you mean cost of learning to use, bandwidth, environment,
social or political costs? It doesn't cost money, at least directly.

Rob

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"Clive" wrote in message
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It's similar to people who think DABradio sounds better because it is
"digital".

Or those who think vinyl is better because it's analogue.

They
don't know why but think they are expected to say it is better.

As you said.

I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.

Vinyl is analogue, so any reference to "bitrates" is meaningless.

Not necessarily. As an information channel, Vinyl LP should have a Shannon
bandwidth expressible in bits per second. The difficulty is that the
channel behaviour in such a case is limited by distortion in quite a
complex manner, so determining the practical value is difficult.

Slainte,

Jim

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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Adrian C wrote:
You don't need Audacity to digitise an LP. Just about every computer
with an audio input can do it.

The MS standard WAV recording utility, called "sound recorder", in all
versions of windows previous to Vista is unuseable for long length
recordings. You basically had to find another program.

But if you have a CD burner you'll likely have Nero?


And if you have an internet connection, you can have Audacity. I'd be
interested to know which you find best.

I've just tried the 'free' audio editor (CD Spin Doctor) that comes with
some CD authoring software I have - won't open anything - just crashes.
I'd hope the Nero software is better than that.

Rob

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"Rob" wrote in message
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I'd probably agree, although add to the mix the timeless charm of vinyl
spinning and musty record sleeves, and the aural experience goes up a
notch ;-)


Well OK, if you like that sort of thing, though IMO the clicks and pops of
vinyl completely wipe out any improvement in the "aural experience" created
by spinning vinyl or musty record sleeves.

David.

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"Rob" wrote in message

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
You don't need Audacity to digitise an LP. Just about
every computer with an audio input can do it.

The MS standard WAV recording utility, called "sound
recorder", in all versions of windows previous to Vista
is unuseable for long length recordings. You basically
had to find another program.

But if you have a CD burner you'll likely have Nero?


And if you have an internet connection, you can have
Audacity. I'd be interested to know which you find best.

I've just tried the 'free' audio editor (CD Spin Doctor)
that comes with some CD authoring software I have - won't
open anything - just crashes. I'd hope the Nero software
is better than that.

You can burn either audio or data CDs with out-of-the box XP and nothing
else.

But I use Nero anyway. ;-)

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Arny Krueger wrote:
"Rob" wrote in message

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Adrian C wrote:
You don't need Audacity to digitise an LP. Just about
every computer with an audio input can do it.
The MS standard WAV recording utility, called "sound
recorder", in all versions of windows previous to Vista
is unuseable for long length recordings. You basically
had to find another program.
But if you have a CD burner you'll likely have Nero?

And if you have an internet connection, you can have
Audacity. I'd be interested to know which you find best.

I've just tried the 'free' audio editor (CD Spin Doctor)
that comes with some CD authoring software I have - won't
open anything - just crashes. I'd hope the Nero software
is better than that.

You can burn either audio or data CDs with out-of-the box XP and nothing
else.


Indeed - as you can with OS X

But I use Nero anyway. ;-)


I'd guess most people use some sort of non-OS software. There probably
isn't much need.

Rob

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"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , David Looser
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"Clive" wrote in message
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I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.

Vinyl is analogue, so any reference to "bitrates" is meaningless.

Not necessarily.

*In the context* it is meaningless. Clive talked about "vinyl recorded with
low bitrates", now what does *that* mean? Since vinyl is analogue we can
record with a reduced bandwidth, or with inferior signal-to-noise, but we
can't do digital compression, which seems to be what Clive was trying to
imply.

David.

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David Looser wrote:
which seems to be what Clive was trying to
imply.


Be as well to mention that "Clive" is the "Tiscali Idiot" coward troll
causing mischief. I wouldn't bother trying to work out what the hell he
was implying, here or anywhere else he posts.

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In article , David Looser
wrote:
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message
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In article , David Looser
wrote:
"Clive" wrote in message
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I would love to see vinyl recorded with low bitrates and
compression/limiting.

Vinyl is analogue, so any reference to "bitrates" is meaningless.

Not necessarily.

*In the context* it is meaningless. Clive talked about "vinyl recorded
with low bitrates", now what does *that* mean?

No idea. :-) I'm just commenting on your comment as quoted above. It
isn't correct to say that "any reference to bitrates is meaningless" for
the asserted reason that "Vinyl is analogue". :-)

Hence my use of the phrase "not necessarily" which I thought an
appropriately Private-Eye style phrasing. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Adrian C
wrote:
David Looser wrote: which seems to be what Clive was trying to
imply.


Be as well to mention that "Clive" is the "Tiscali Idiot" coward troll
causing mischief. I wouldn't bother trying to work out what the hell he
was implying, here or anywhere else he posts.

Ah! So his *posts* are information-reduced... :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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