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"Rob" wrote in message m... Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything? They're both routes to the same thing - creating a pleasing and perhaps realistic and natural sound. Arny's just using 'distortion' as a catch-all pejorative. I'm using the word in a different way. Arny and Poochie use the word 'distortion' like some people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion' horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork pies.... For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers can't stop going on about! Good innit? :-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote But you can turn a loudness control on or off. The random tone varations you get from a SET or the LP format are there, take it or leave them. You're hearing 'random tone variations'now? Wot next - messages from outer space? I have no problems with that. I do have problems with solved technical problems being pushed down my throat as the next great thing in audio. As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit newsgroup (and naused off all the nice, Brit people that used to be here), there is a *blindingly simple* way you can avoid further incidences of that.... |
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"Rob" wrote in message m... Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything? Nothing - curious. They're both routes to the same thing - creating a pleasing and perhaps realistic and natural sound. Arny's just using 'distortion' as a catch-all pejorative. I'm using the word in a different way. Arny and Poochie use the word 'distortion' like some people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion' horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork pies.... For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers can't stop going on about! Good innit? :-) I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some sort of maths. Rob |
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"Rob" wrote in message om... Keith G wrote: "Rob" wrote in message m... Hey Rob! Suddenly, I can see your posts! Have you changed anything? Nothing - curious. Weird - I've changed nothing here, either... ?? For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers can't stop going on about! I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some sort of maths. Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a *taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO, but there ya go! There's only one equation that means anything to me - I've got LPs and play them all the time; I've got CDs and almost never play them.... |
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Keith G wrote: Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a *taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO, but there ya go! Talk about paranoid. But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special needs would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one. uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't remember the last post to that which wasn't an ad. There's only one equation that means anything to me - I've got LPs and play them all the time; I've got CDs and almost never play them.... There are people who believe the earth is flat too. -- *Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a *taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO, but there ya go! Talk about paranoid. I'm not the one in a lather - look in the mirror.... But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special needs would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one. uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't remember the last post to that which wasn't an ad. I don't want to discuss vinyl (when do I ever?) and the place I don't want to discuss it is here. The vinyl group was *flypaper* to attract you and the other bashers. Which it did.... Day 1.... :-) |
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On 2009-04-23, Rob wrote:
I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some sort of maths. Rob, just for the record (and I am sure you appreciate this but I am responding to the words above) it's perfectly possible to enjoy the music while also enjoying the maths and the engineering of music reproduction. Actually http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html, the current charter of this newsgroup says: "uk.rec.audio is an unmoderated newsgroup. It is primarily a forum for discussion of hi-fi equipment available in the UK, a place for independant reviews and opinions on hi-fi, and an advice centre for those bitten by the upgrade bug. It may include discussions on what hi-fi is trying to do (accurately reproduce music? a 'live' acoustic?) and its development. It is also a site for the private sale and exchange of used hi-fi components." This seems to place more emphasis on the equipment than the music. I am sure there are those who don't care what the charter says and will post what they believe is on topic according to their interests. I am happy to appreciate people's specific interests and to enjoy posts that are interesting and at least near to the topic. However, my point is that if people are sticking to the topic as I interpret it then it may well appear as you write but not, in fact, be so. In any case, just as it's OK to enjoy listening to music without enjoying the maths and the engineering, its equally OK for people to enjoy things in the opposite way. Sorry to pick on your post but it's recently got quite contentious in here and I wondered if maybe some broader perspective could advantageously be injected? Regards John -- John Phillips |
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Keith G wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: Way beyond listening to music. In fact, nothing to do with music. Ever since I first subscribed here they have been trying to make 'vinyl' a *taboo* topic for some reason - *priceless* in an 'audio' group IMO, but there ya go! Talk about paranoid. I'm not the one in a lather - look in the mirror.... You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now? But of course since all *you* want to discuss is the crankiest of audio subjects surely a group dedicated to your special needs would be more suitable? Oh - but there is one. uk.rec.audio.vinyl Can't remember the last post to that which wasn't an ad. I don't want to discuss vinyl (when do I ever?) and the place I don't want to discuss it is here. Right... The vinyl group was *flypaper* to attract you and the other bashers. You certainly have one of the most warped minds I've come across. Had it been successful, of course, your 'reasons' would have been different. Which it did.... Day 1.... :-) Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More fantasies, I assume? -- *I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now? Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or summat?) Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More fantasies, I assume? Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman *flounce*...???) What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me, not the milkman - don't get your hopes up....) -- *I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you Uh oh - he's thinks I'm his *milkman* again... |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
People who struggle to not talk over my head seem in my bewildered brain to use the word 'distortion' like some people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion' horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork pies.... Not being in the UK I have no idea how easy it is to taste MSG in pork pies. However MSG does have a characteristic flavor, and is clearly noticable when used in sufficient concentrations. If Keith you are saying that you can't hear the readily audible noise and distortion that is inherent in things you seem to fancy like SET amplifiers and LPs, then I have no problem believing that to be true. As you seem to conceive of the word "distortion" Keith, it is indeed utter crap. It's a concept that very many people can understand, but one that we tirelessly explain and you tirelessly ignore. For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers can't stop going on about! It's not about bashing these things Keith, its about knowing that there is generally no need for music lovers to bother with them. Their day has come and gone. |
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"Rob" wrote in message
om I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some sort of maths. Nonsense. Listening to music is listening to music, and mathematics is mathematics. It is possible to do mathematics while listening to music. It is also possible to manage some attributes of reproduced music by means of applied mathematics. |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote But you can turn a loudness control on or off. The random tone varations you get from a SET or the LP format are there, take it or leave them. You're hearing 'random tone variations'now? You'd hear them too, were you able to engage your brain to your ears. Wot next - messages from outer space? Now there is a comment from outerspace, if there ever was one. I have no problems with that. I do have problems with solved technical problems being pushed down my throat as the next great thing in audio. As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit newsgroup (and naused off all the nice, Brit people that used to be here), there is a *blindingly simple* way you can avoid further incidences of that.... Ahh, Keith plays the xenophobia card. He's getting despirate, now. |
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John Phillips wrote:
On 2009-04-23, Rob wrote: I suspect for some it's gone beyond listening to music, and towards some sort of maths. Rob, just for the record (and I am sure you appreciate this but I am responding to the words above) it's perfectly possible to enjoy the music while also enjoying the maths and the engineering of music reproduction. Actually http://www.usenet.org.uk/uk.rec.audio.html, the current charter of this newsgroup says: "uk.rec.audio is an unmoderated newsgroup. It is primarily a forum for discussion of hi-fi equipment available in the UK, a place for independant reviews and opinions on hi-fi, and an advice centre for those bitten by the upgrade bug. It may include discussions on what hi-fi is trying to do (accurately reproduce music? a 'live' acoustic?) and its development. It is also a site for the private sale and exchange of used hi-fi components." This seems to place more emphasis on the equipment than the music. I am sure there are those who don't care what the charter says and will post what they believe is on topic according to their interests. I am happy to appreciate people's specific interests and to enjoy posts that are interesting and at least near to the topic. However, my point is that if people are sticking to the topic as I interpret it then it may well appear as you write but not, in fact, be so. I would suggest that on occasion the empirical (positivist, numerical) argument overtakes the discussion of using equipment to listen to music. Quite 'what comes out' (of the speakers etc.) is simply an irrelevance for some, if a part of the chain (source, amplifier) doesn't confirm to a manner of mathematical precision. Hence chucking around the term 'distortion' - as if it's necessarily a barrier to enjoying music. In so far as I understand what 'distortion' is (and I don't think it's any one thing, or even a suitable term all the time) that opinion is open to challenge. In any case, just as it's OK to enjoy listening to music without enjoying the maths and the engineering, its equally OK for people to enjoy things in the opposite way. Sorry to pick on your post but it's recently got quite contentious in here and I wondered if maybe some broader perspective could advantageously be injected? No, that's fine, your comments are welcome. It's just hotted up a little in here because I should be working (always a time I resort to NGs!) and a certain Keith has found a little spare time. The point of my comment was in fact to try and broaden the discussion - not contain, or worse, close it. It'll settle down in a moment, and we'll be back to 3 posts a week about speaker cables :-) Rob |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message People who struggle to not talk over my head seem in my bewildered brain to use the word 'distortion' like some people use the words 'monosodium glutamate' - fine, nothing on the planet exists without distortion; the thing is not to get caught on the 'audible distortion' horse**** - Arny hears the 'audible distortion' like some people can taste the monosodium glutamate in pork pies.... Not being in the UK I have no idea how easy it is to taste MSG in pork pies. However MSG does have a characteristic flavor, and is clearly noticable when used in sufficient concentrations. Stoppit FFS... If Keith you are saying that you can't hear the readily audible noise and distortion that is inherent in things you seem to fancy like SET amplifiers and LPs, then I have no problem believing that to be true. Good. As you seem to conceive of the word "distortion" Keith, it is indeed utter crap. It's a concept that very many people can understand, but one that we tirelessly explain and you tirelessly ignore. Yes, because I don't *hear* distortion - I'm not looking to hear it. Frankly, if it was a piece I knew well, the amp could die and it would probably be a few minutes before I noticed and, if you promise not to tell anyone, I'll even admit that I never notice when a furball has built up on the 'needle' until my other half tells me.... :-) It's really a question of *getting into the music* and not listening to the bloody equipment, but I really don't expect you to be able to relate to that.... For all the arm-waving, ranting and spittle running down the chins of the bashers here, the fact is that a lot of people can still be bothered to climb over the *digital desidiosis* to get a lot of deep enjoyment from playing LP -, despite all the defects (real and imagined) that the bashers can't stop going on about! It's not about bashing these things Keith, its about knowing that there is generally no need for music lovers to bother with them. Their day has come and gone. Sez you.... Answer me this - when I am here on my own with nobody watching, nobody taking notes, nobody telling tales, why do I put a record on 99 times out of a hundred and not a CD? Actually, make that 199 times out of 200.... ?? |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote As a Yank who has long overstayed his welcome in a Brit newsgroup (and naused off all the nice, Brit people that used to be here), there is a *blindingly simple* way you can avoid further incidences of that.... Ahh, Keith plays the xenophobia card. He's getting despirate, now. Getting what? (Again: No typo, Arny baby - keys too far apart...) Anyway, not at all - you being a foreigner has nothing to do with it Your bigotry and propensity to continually try to 'put people right' (a laugh in itself) is what has made you unpopular here. In fact, I do believe you got cut a lot more slack because you are a Yank than most Eurotrash* would have - Brits with memories know the Yanks were (eventually) on our side in the *big one* while most Euros were most definitely not and, to top it all, they have recently become bold and lippy due to the current **** UK leadership making it look like we are *all* complete pushovers here, but I digress... The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. I know this because a number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activites. Know what I mean? ;-) * That's most, not all and does not include the one or two that I know to have posted here over the recent years..... |
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"Rob" wrote No, that's fine, your comments are welcome. It's just hotted up a little in here because I should be working (always a time I resort to NGs!) and a certain Keith has found a little spare time. The point of my comment was in fact to try and broaden the discussion - not contain, or worse, close it. You are right that, after a couple of people had mentioned how dead it was in here, I hooked up again to froth up a little activity. Seems to be working...?? :-) It'll settle down in a moment, and we'll be back to 3 posts a week about speaker cables :-) Sadly, I suspect it will sooner or later - it don't seem to want to 'pick up and run'...?? (Maybe the plugs need cleaning! :-) |
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Keith G wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now? Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or summat?) Oh - sorry was it the postman? Each new piece of kit you got always impressed someone or other. You obviously realised few here would take *your* word for it. Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More fantasies, I assume? Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman *flounce*...???) What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me, not the milkman - don't get your hopes up....) How would you describe your departure, Kitty? It certainly wasn't graceful. -- *I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Keith G wrote: The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. I know this because a number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activites. Wish you were more like them, then. Since you've reappeared, so have the insults. Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. Same as all your fads. Sensible points or questions tend to get sensible answers. -- *Hard work pays off in the future. Laziness pays off now * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote You certainly seem to be in a lather over vinyl as usual. And horns with 'full range' drivers - oh forgot, you're giving them away. The best speakers you (and your milkman) have ever heard are last year's toy now? Still with the *milkman* fixation, Plowie? (Is he good-looking or summat?) Oh - sorry was it the postman? Each new piece of kit you got always impressed someone or other. You obviously realised few here would take *your* word for it. Bull****. Which I'd kept you post when you flounced off from here a while back. More fantasies, I assume? Do people always *flounce* out of your life? (Did your milkman *flounce*...???) What happens when they show up again - do they *flounce* back in? (Me, not the milkman - don't get your hopes up....) How would you describe your departure, Kitty? It certainly wasn't graceful. More bull****. You really are clutching at straws, aren't you Poochie?? |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. I know this because a number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activites. Wish you were more like them, then. Since you've reappeared, so have the insults. You should know, you start them (you *always* start them) - check the posts.... Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. Same as all your fads. Sensible points or questions tend to get sensible answers. Someone saying they *prefer* it or believe it to be more *realistic* is attributing magical properties? - And who TF is it you think is looking for answers from you? I got noos for you, Poochie - speaking only for myself, you got *nothing* I need to hear about. (Answers, he says!!?? - Arrogant little ****!) |
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"Jenn" wrote in message ... In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Waste of time trying to confront Poochie with the truth Jenn, old bean - he's the .5 of the 2.5 Denial Boyz who ruled here with their *Reign Of Digital Terror* a while back - 'til I showed up and started dismantling them.... :-) |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. Describing vinyl as having audible noise and distortion is not bashing it. No more than describing automobiles as vehicles that require gasoline is bashing them. I know this because a number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activities. Know what I mean? ;-) What I know is that you've got a place of your own Keith, named uk.rec.audio.vinyl (urav). If you think uk.rec.audio is dead, you obviously know nothing about urav. BTW Keith, have you posted in urav today? This week? This month? This year? Ever? |
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In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Lame attempt by Jenn to pretend that her posting history never existed. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Lame attempt by Jenn to pretend that her posting history never existed. Heh heh! Your face *hot* is it, Arny? :-) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. Describing vinyl as having audible noise and distortion is not bashing it. No more than describing automobiles as vehicles that require gasoline is bashing them. The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? See all my other posts where I mention all that crap that chops you to the ground doesn't bother me in the least... :-)) Sorreee.... :-))) I know this because a number of them have kept in touch - they are 'nice Brits (unlike me) who prefer not to address unpleasantness in their leisure activities. Know what I mean? ;-) What I know is that you've got a place of your own Keith, named uk.rec.audio.vinyl (urav). My own?? Like I could charge an entrance fee or summat? Interesting prospect... If you think uk.rec.audio is dead, you obviously know nothing about urav. BTW Keith, have you posted in urav today? This week? This month? This year? Ever? See my reply to your Pooch - ukrav (mind the 'k' - it distinguishes us from Uruguay) was only *flypaper* to trap you and the other bashers at the time - if it took off then all well and good, but it didn't. (How many times can you answer the 'How do I clean my records?' question?) (Poochie correctly predicted it wouldn't run - the only time ever he wasn't the *wrongest thing* in Usenet....) |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message The important point is that most of the people who *flounced* out of here a while back were vinyl enthusiasts who got fed up with yours (and a couple of others) continually bashing it. Describing vinyl as having audible noise and distortion is not bashing it. No more than describing automobiles as vehicles that require gasoline is bashing them. The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? No, they are based on extensive listening to a wide variety of high end vinyl setups at a variety of audiphile homes and high end audio shows. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? No, they are based on extensive listening to a wide variety of high end vinyl setups at a variety of audiphile homes and high end audio shows. The problem with vinyl is that there is so much detail to be had it leads people to dig deeper and deeper for it - frankly, I reckon you'd be better ignoring all that high end stuff (except the carts - can't spend too much on those) and sticking with the Rega. I've just done a couple of searches on eBay (co.uk): Tube amp = 588 results Quad amp = 129 results Sony amp = 148 results Yamaha amp = 85 results Technics amp = 45 results OK, in each case, the results are not all amplifiers but it's interesting, isn't it - looks like nobody much is listening to your 'all tube amps are broke' litany....?? |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Lame attempt by Jenn to pretend that her posting history never existed. Lame attempt by Arny to pretend that he can show anything to the contrary. |
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In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Lame attempt by Jenn to pretend that her posting history never existed. Lame attempt by Arny to pretend that he can show anything to the contrary. We've been here before Jenn. I document, you deny, I learn that you aren't worth the time. |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? No, they are based on extensive listening to a wide variety of high end vinyl setups at a variety of audiphile homes and high end audio shows. The problem with vinyl is that there is so much detail to be had Only if you consider tics, pops, hissing, rumble, flutter, wow, and various other nasties to be "detail". |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Arny Krueger" wrote: "Jenn" wrote in message In article , "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: Vinyl only gets bashed here when the likes of you attribute magical qualities to it. I haven't posted here or read too much here, but I can attest to the fact that there is one regular poster here who is fond of calling people "vinyl bigots" if they simply state that they like the sound of some LPs. Lame attempt by Jenn to pretend that her posting history never existed. Lame attempt by Arny to pretend that he can show anything to the contrary. We've been here before Jenn. I document, you deny, I learn that you aren't worth the time. lol Yes, we've been here before. You SAY that you have documented, but you never have. You're dishonest. Show where you have documented. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? No, they are based on extensive listening to a wide variety of high end vinyl setups at a variety of audiphile homes and high end audio shows. The problem with vinyl is that there is so much detail to be had Only if you consider tics, pops, hissing, rumble, flutter, wow, and various other nasties to be "detail". You forgot the *boiled cabbage* smell... Here, never mind all that - take a pull at these clips which are still on my webpage (I put them there for some wattock who ran off squealing when I put him to the test): http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-1.mp3 http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-2.mp3 One is from the vinyl, the other from the CD and I don't remember which is which - you tell me! Then tell what the word is in the phrase 'happy as xxxx' (8 seconds in) - it could be one of two possibles and I know which I think it is...?? (Or you could just runn orf squealing as well....) |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote The problem with your audible noise and distortion claims is that they are based on what - a Rega plank and an M75 or somesuch? No, they are based on extensive listening to a wide variety of high end vinyl setups at a variety of audiphile homes and high end audio shows. The problem with vinyl is that there is so much detail to be had Only if you consider tics, pops, hissing, rumble, flutter, wow, and various other nasties to be "detail". You forgot the *boiled cabbage* smell... Here, never mind all that - take a pull at these clips which are still on my webpage (I put them there for some wattock who ran off squealing when I put him to the test): http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-1.mp3 http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-2.mp3 One is from the vinyl, the other from the CD and I don't remember which is which - you tell me! Well Keith, as delusional and dishonest as you are, granting an opinon like this is very risky. You can easily be your usual contrary self and say that I'm wrong, no matter what's right. Not only that, but the clips are badly made - clip 2 was obviously clipped during transcription from the LP.... Ooops! They ABX as being different. To me the biggest clue was the better transient response in the bass on the CD. But the CD is odd, it has some EMI recorded on it around 15720 Hz. The music itself sounds odd, like this was an old analog tape transcribed to CD. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote Here, never mind all that - take a pull at these clips which are still on my webpage (I put them there for some wattock who ran off squealing when I put him to the test): http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-1.mp3 http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-2.mp3 One is from the vinyl, the other from the CD and I don't remember which is which - you tell me! Well Keith, as delusional and dishonest as you are, granting an opinon like this is very risky. Given the *idiot reversal* that kicks in when it's you, those childish insults come back as compliments.... You can easily be your usual contrary self and say that I'm wrong, no matter what's right. Your paranoia's dripping, Arny - you might want to put a cloth under it.... Not only that, but the clips are badly made - clip 2 was obviously clipped during transcription from the LP.... Barely and only very briefly - doesn't bother me and was probably hastily recorded as a *WTF, I'm playing it anyway*...??? (I get busy hun, and don't always have time to set up properly if the need isn't there - for instance, right now I'm hassled; I'm halfway through cutting the grass and then I want a trip out on the bike while the sun's out!!) Ooops! They ABX as being different. To me the biggest clue was the better transient response in the bass on the CD. Oh, sure.... But the CD is odd, it has some EMI recorded on it around 15720 Hz. The music itself sounds odd, like this was an old analog tape transcribed to CD. Well, you're right on the money there - look at this snap: http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Heartbreak.jpg That album is 26 years old... (Note the *barrel distortion* in the pic - it's a fairly extreme wide angle and I haven't got time to feck about changing lenses - does that make the lens useless...??) [To self: **** me, I post more 'Show N Tell' to substantiate my assertions on this tossy little newsgroup thn anyone in the history of Usenet and this thick, arrogant **** tells me I'm *dishonest*...!!??] Anyway, shape up Arny - you haven't answered the main question: What is the word in 'happy as *what'*?? I think I know what it is and there's only one word really makes sense in the UK, but (it's an American disc) there's a choice of two it might be.... Anybody? |
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On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:50:36 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: Anyway, shape up Arny - you haven't answered the main question: What is the word in 'happy as *what'*?? Happy as clams (at high water). d |
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message news:49fab7ae.679415750@localhost... On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 13:50:36 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: Anyway, shape up Arny - you haven't answered the main question: What is the word in 'happy as *what'*?? Happy as clams (at high water). OK, that's what it says in the sleeve notes and is a phrase that didn't make sense to me until we looked it up, but that's not what we *hear*...!!! I'll have to get Plowie to lend me his milkman.... |
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"Keith G" wrote in message
"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote Here, never mind all that - take a pull at these clips which are still on my webpage (I put them there for some wattock who ran off squealing when I put him to the test): http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-1.mp3 http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-2.mp3 One is from the vinyl, the other from the CD and I don't remember which is which - you tell me! Well Keith, as delusional and dishonest as you are, granting an opinon like this is very risky. snip a variety of insults and non-answers. Keith behaved true to form. |
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"Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote in message "Arny Krueger" wrote in message ... "Keith G" wrote Here, never mind all that - take a pull at these clips which are still on my webpage (I put them there for some wattock who ran off squealing when I put him to the test): http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-1.mp3 http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/Langu...r%20Clip-2.mp3 One is from the vinyl, the other from the CD and I don't remember which is which - you tell me! Well Keith, as delusional and dishonest as you are, granting an opinon like this is very risky. snip a variety of insults Oh dear, Arny's just like all long-term Usenet creeps - he can dish it out, but he can't take it..!! :-) and non-answers. ?? 'Non-answers' to my own questions, dummy? Wot sense does that make? Oh, hang on a minute.... (Losing it fast, aren't you...?? ;-) Keith behaved true to form. As did *you*, chum.... LOL!! Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused* henceforth.... |
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In article , Keith G
wrote: Now kindly consider any future posts of mine directed to all the cringing lurkers here but, not to you - you are *excused* henceforth.... FWIW Keith, I don't know if you regard me as a 'cringing lurker' or not, but I don't particularly want your opinions "directed" to me, so count me out. I gave up trying to discuss various things with you because of the kind of behaviour you have shown in threads like this. I do sometimes scan your postings but have decided I'd be wasting my time to respond. Slainte, Jim -- Change 'noise' to 'jcgl' if you wish to email me. Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html |
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