Don Pearce wrote:
On Sat, 02 May 2009 17:10:09 GMT, Rob
wrote:

Here's how it works. Quick speech recording, played against a constant
reverb impulse (a local church, in fact), repeated five times with the
ratio of direct and reverberant sound changed each time - final one is
reverberant only.

Obviously greatly exaggerated for illustration.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/depth.mp3

d
Which is a similar sensation I'd experience when valves are in the
amplification chain. I know (before you start!) that that doesn't
compute. It gives me a very believable notion of instruments (etc) and
spatial perspective.

Rob

Not sure what you mean. It's only voltage signals going through the
valves, so what they do to one, they must do to all. So do you mean
that everything sounds a bit further away with valves?


Not really/necessarily.

Music played with valve amplification has depth - that is, some
instruments sound further forward, some further back. When I first
listened to a valve amplifier at home the first thing that came to mind
was 'home cinema'; that sort of 5:1 thing.

Don't know why. No reason why that should happen, I'm sure. But while it
does/I think it does, all's well :-)

Rob

On Sun, 03 May 2009 10:18:19 GMT, Rob
wrote:

Don't know why. No reason why that should happen, I'm sure. But while it
does/I think it does, all's well :-)

I think that in the interest of sanity, we'll stick with the second of
those choices.

d

Don Pearce wrote:
On Sun, 03 May 2009 10:18:19 GMT, Rob
wrote:

Don't know why. No reason why that should happen, I'm sure. But while it
does/I think it does, all's well :-)

I think that in the interest of sanity, we'll stick with the second of
those choices.

d

We hear what we want to hear? Works both ways ;-)

Rob

"Rob" wrote


Music played with valve amplification has depth - that is, some
instruments sound further forward, some further back.


Yes, of course and it also has *vastness* with the right speakers, but you
won't convince the nodding Old Ladies here - they don't dare stray away from
stern **** they read in *respected* magazines half a century ago! ;-)

And tone....

And warmth....

And *realism*....


When I first
listened to a valve amplifier at home the first thing that came to mind
was 'home cinema'; that sort of 5:1 thing.


I don't use valves for 5.1 'surround sound' as the heat would be too
oppressive for a start, but I have a valve and horns setup for my
recorded/projected TV progs atm (it's usually an SS amp) and I never
*notice* the sound, other than it's always very pleasant and it always comes
straight from the mouths, but steam engines, vehicles, any other noise sound
so *natural* the sound disappears into the experience!


Don't know why. No reason why that should happen, I'm sure. But while it
does/I think it does, all's well :-)


Distortion, Rob - lashings of lovely 2H I'm led to believe! :-)

Keith G wrote:

"Rob" wrote


Music played with valve amplification has depth - that is, some
instruments sound further forward, some further back.


Yes, of course and it also has *vastness* with the right speakers, but
you won't convince the nodding Old Ladies here - they don't dare stray
away from stern **** they read in *respected* magazines half a century
ago! ;-)

And tone....

And warmth....

And *realism*....


Yep. Hard enough trying to explain 'depth'


When I first
listened to a valve amplifier at home the first thing that came to
mind was 'home cinema'; that sort of 5:1 thing.


I don't use valves for 5.1 'surround sound' as the heat would be too
oppressive for a start, but I have a valve and horns setup for my
recorded/projected TV progs atm (it's usually an SS amp) and I never
*notice* the sound, other than it's always very pleasant and it always
comes straight from the mouths, but steam engines, vehicles, any other
noise sound so *natural* the sound disappears into the experience!


No no, I wouldn't bother with valves for proper surround sound. I'm
happy enough with stereo and a sub.


Don't know why. No reason why that should happen, I'm sure. But while
it does/I think it does, all's well :-)


Distortion, Rob - lashings of lovely 2H I'm led to believe! :-)


:-)

"Rob" wrote


Yep. Hard enough trying to explain 'depth'


It's only hard when the person you are explaining it to doesn't want to
understand - or can't...


I don't use valves for 5.1 'surround sound' as the heat would be too
oppressive for a start,


Factor in the 'fan heater' (PJ) also...



No no, I wouldn't bother with valves for proper surround sound. I'm happy
enough with stereo and a sub.


No sub for me - don't need it with the Ruarks.