'European sound tuned'....??
 

"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but
it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and where it does
carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a case of more
attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply play the notes - IOW, you
can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts radio and enjoy it!



Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too big now' we
used to have a pair of home built transmission line speakers on the Dr.
Arthur Bailey design published in Wireless World in 1972 - the nearest
commercial equivalent was the IMF TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110
with (in my case) T27 although the original design was for the (then no
longer obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was beguiling
albeit at the expense of stereo staging.


You mean like the ones I had - in this pic:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/IMFandothers.JPG

:-)


The place where their bass ability really showed up was on pipe organ
pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might have been Denon - which
had a recording of Bach played on the organ of Limburg cathedral. There
was one sequence where there was a descending scale played on pedal woods
couple to pedal reeds; you could hear every note - clearly - all the way
down without resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For a short
while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which used the same drive
units in a transmission line-ish structure - they are the only other
speakers that I have ever heard that could reproduce that cadence with the
same detail.



You say 'at the expense of imaging' - I was always quite impressed with the
imaging, expecially for a cabinet so big. Nothing like the Fidelios in the
same pic though.



My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF Q5 (or is it
Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce the
depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


Your 'beguiling' is a good descriptive - they were an absolute delight at
low, 'past midnight' levels I remember which made it difficult to shut the
system down sometimes! (I'm sure I said that here, at the time!)

That pic is an interesting one - it shows some of the stuff I still have
which are keepers and some which has been passed along:

Keepers: 2A3 SET in the rack, replinthed Lencos, Jericho speakers with PM6C
Lowthers.

Gone: Technics power amp (and the matching control amp), IMFs, Chinese 300B
SET (on the speaker).

- that was when I was *trying stuff for myself* and exploring possibilities
rather than yapping about stuff I had only read about or going on hearsay
from others....

'European sound tuned'....??
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but
it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and where it
does carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a case of
more attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply play the notes -
IOW, you can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts radio and enjoy it!


Listed?

Fekkin' fingers do just what they want these days....

'European sound tuned'....??
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs
happy, but it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my
book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and
where it does carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a
case of more attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply
play the notes - IOW, you can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts
radio and enjoy it!



Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too
big now' we used to have a pair of home built transmission
line speakers on the Dr. Arthur Bailey design published in
Wireless World in 1972 - the nearest commercial equivalent was
the IMF TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110 with (in my
case) T27 although the original design was for the (then no
longer obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was
beguiling albeit at the expense of stereo staging.


You mean like the ones I had - in this pic:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/IMFandothers.JPG

:-)


The place where their bass ability really showed up was on
pipe organ pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might
have been Denon - which had a recording of Bach played on the
organ of Limburg cathedral. There was one sequence where there
was a descending scale played on pedal woods couple to pedal
reeds; you could hear every note - clearly - all the way down
without resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For
a short while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which
used the same drive units in a transmission line-ish
structure - they are the only other speakers that I have ever
heard that could reproduce that cadence with the same detail.



You say 'at the expense of imaging' - I was always quite
impressed with the imaging, expecially for a cabinet so big.
Nothing like the Fidelios in the same pic though.



My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF
Q5 (or is it Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce
the depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


Your 'beguiling' is a good descriptive - they were an absolute
delight at low, 'past midnight' levels I remember which made it
difficult to shut the system down sometimes! (I'm sure I said
that here, at the time!)

That pic is an interesting one - it shows some of the stuff I
still have which are keepers and some which has been passed
along:

Keepers: 2A3 SET in the rack, replinthed Lencos, Jericho
speakers with PM6C Lowthers.

Gone: Technics power amp (and the matching control amp), IMFs,
Chinese 300B SET (on the speaker).

- that was when I was *trying stuff for myself* and exploring
possibilities rather than yapping about stuff I had only read
about or going on hearsay from others....





Mine were very like those - including the Coles 4001 supertweeter
that I added to the originals. (A friend built thme but when he
got married and moved into a small terraced house there was no
room for them. I paid £50 but the drive units at that time were
worth £130 so I don't think I did too badly?)


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

'European sound tuned'....??
 

Keith G wrote:
I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post since deleted,
so I can't append), but don't bother now, I have grabbed a nice little
Denon PMA-510 from the local shop - which should do what I want without
too much fuss (heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz
on me 'bike and there's a 120" projection screen also, anyway!

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a search on the
'net to see what is being said about them and found this (not the store
I'm buying from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Don't tell me it's not going to be as blamelessly *neutral* as the SS
Brigade would have us believe....??

:-)


The justification for this that I remember reading was that US living
rooms are bigger than UK ones and they tend to have concrete floors
rather than wood.
They wouldn't just make this sort of thing up, would they?

'European sound tuned'....??
 

"Roger Thorpe" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:


http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?


The justification for this that I remember reading was that US living
rooms are bigger than UK ones and they tend to have concrete floors rather
than wood.
They wouldn't just make this sort of thing up, would they?


No, I'm sure they haven't - it sounds perfectly fine, if a little
*Belgian*....

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