"Adrian C" wrote in message
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Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American
sound tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese
sound tuned", on the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a
difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so
special tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects
of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers
supplied by an English manufacturer - stated reason then was
the difference in the type of music played east and west with
regard to tonal range, and the jap speakers not being suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor
speakers ever made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and
imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and Euro-fi
the most noticable thing I find is that we Brits like our bass.
One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed it
sold. Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less
weight to the bass volume.

Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick
Brits so know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer
really sound like, rather than how we think we would like them to
sound.

Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells
well over here despite being vastly over priced. You have to go
digging to find it in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody" wrote in message
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"Adrian C" wrote in message
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Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on
the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so special
tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers supplied by
an English manufacturer - stated reason then was the difference in the
type of music played east and west with regard to tonal range, and the
jap speakers not being suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor speakers ever
made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and Euro-fi the most
noticable thing I find is that we Brits like our bass.


Especially in little, hatchback cars....


One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed it sold.


Still does.



Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less weight to the
bass volume.


Enter the 'firewood horns' to save the day - note most modern designs are
from Europeans, most notably Germans....



Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick Brits so
know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer really sound like,
rather than how we think we would like them to sound.


There is more BS talked about concerts here than anything else - the one
thing you can't get (indoors or out) is a heavy, palpable bass at any
distance from the source, so why choose speakers that produce it...??


Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells well over
here despite being vastly over priced. You have to go digging to find it
in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


Well said - I'd buy that (well, most of it) for a dollar!

Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but it
has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in message
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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has
"American sound tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has
"Japanese sound tuned", on the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a
difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so
special tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound
effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers
supplied by an English manufacturer - stated reason then was
the difference in the type of music played east and west with
regard to tonal range, and the jap speakers not being
suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor
speakers ever made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and
imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and
Euro-fi the most noticable thing I find is that we Brits like
our bass.


Especially in little, hatchback cars....


One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed
it sold.


Still does.



Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less
weight to the bass volume.


Enter the 'firewood horns' to save the day - note most modern
designs are from Europeans, most notably Germans....



Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick
Brits so know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer
really sound like, rather than how we think we would like them
to sound.


There is more BS talked about concerts here than anything
else - the one thing you can't get (indoors or out) is a heavy,
palpable bass at any distance from the source, so why choose
speakers that produce it...??


Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells
well over here despite being vastly over priced. You have to
go digging to find it in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


Well said - I'd buy that (well, most of it) for a dollar!

Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs
happy, but it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my
book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.

There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and
where it does carry - (pipe) organ music.

Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too
big now' we used to have a pair of home built transmission line
speakers on the Dr. Arthur Bailey design published in Wireless
World in 1972 - the nearest commercial equivalent was the IMF
TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110 with (in my case) T27
although the original design was for the (then no longer
obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was beguiling
albeit at the expense of stereo staging.

The place where their bass ability really showed up was on pipe
organ pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might have been
Denon - which had a recording of Bach played on the organ of
Limburg cathedral. There was one sequence where there was a
descending scale played on pedal woods couple to pedal reeds; you
could hear every note - clearly - all the way down without
resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For a short
while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which used the
same drive units in a transmission line-ish structure - they are
the only other speakers that I have ever heard that could
reproduce that cadence with the same detail.

My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF Q5
(or is it Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce the
depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but
it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and where it does
carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a case of more
attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply play the notes - IOW, you
can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts radio and enjoy it!



Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too big now' we
used to have a pair of home built transmission line speakers on the Dr.
Arthur Bailey design published in Wireless World in 1972 - the nearest
commercial equivalent was the IMF TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110
with (in my case) T27 although the original design was for the (then no
longer obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was beguiling
albeit at the expense of stereo staging.


You mean like the ones I had - in this pic:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/IMFandothers.JPG

:-)


The place where their bass ability really showed up was on pipe organ
pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might have been Denon - which
had a recording of Bach played on the organ of Limburg cathedral. There
was one sequence where there was a descending scale played on pedal woods
couple to pedal reeds; you could hear every note - clearly - all the way
down without resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For a short
while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which used the same drive
units in a transmission line-ish structure - they are the only other
speakers that I have ever heard that could reproduce that cadence with the
same detail.



You say 'at the expense of imaging' - I was always quite impressed with the
imaging, expecially for a cabinet so big. Nothing like the Fidelios in the
same pic though.



My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF Q5 (or is it
Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce the
depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


Your 'beguiling' is a good descriptive - they were an absolute delight at
low, 'past midnight' levels I remember which made it difficult to shut the
system down sometimes! (I'm sure I said that here, at the time!)

That pic is an interesting one - it shows some of the stuff I still have
which are keepers and some which has been passed along:

Keepers: 2A3 SET in the rack, replinthed Lencos, Jericho speakers with PM6C
Lowthers.

Gone: Technics power amp (and the matching control amp), IMFs, Chinese 300B
SET (on the speaker).

- that was when I was *trying stuff for myself* and exploring possibilities
rather than yapping about stuff I had only read about or going on hearsay
from others....

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but
it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and where it
does carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a case of
more attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply play the notes -
IOW, you can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts radio and enjoy it!


Listed?

Fekkin' fingers do just what they want these days....

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Keith G" wrote


Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs
happy, but it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my
book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.


Well. there's more - see below!



There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and
where it does carry - (pipe) organ music.


Yes, that was on my mind when I made my reply but I feel it's a
case of more attempting to replicate the 'acoustic' than simply
play the notes - IOW, you can listed to Bach's T&F on a Roberts
radio and enjoy it!



Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too
big now' we used to have a pair of home built transmission
line speakers on the Dr. Arthur Bailey design published in
Wireless World in 1972 - the nearest commercial equivalent was
the IMF TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110 with (in my
case) T27 although the original design was for the (then no
longer obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was
beguiling albeit at the expense of stereo staging.


You mean like the ones I had - in this pic:

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/IMFandothers.JPG

:-)


The place where their bass ability really showed up was on
pipe organ pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might
have been Denon - which had a recording of Bach played on the
organ of Limburg cathedral. There was one sequence where there
was a descending scale played on pedal woods couple to pedal
reeds; you could hear every note - clearly - all the way down
without resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For
a short while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which
used the same drive units in a transmission line-ish
structure - they are the only other speakers that I have ever
heard that could reproduce that cadence with the same detail.



You say 'at the expense of imaging' - I was always quite
impressed with the imaging, expecially for a cabinet so big.
Nothing like the Fidelios in the same pic though.



My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF
Q5 (or is it Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce
the depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


Your 'beguiling' is a good descriptive - they were an absolute
delight at low, 'past midnight' levels I remember which made it
difficult to shut the system down sometimes! (I'm sure I said
that here, at the time!)

That pic is an interesting one - it shows some of the stuff I
still have which are keepers and some which has been passed
along:

Keepers: 2A3 SET in the rack, replinthed Lencos, Jericho
speakers with PM6C Lowthers.

Gone: Technics power amp (and the matching control amp), IMFs,
Chinese 300B SET (on the speaker).

- that was when I was *trying stuff for myself* and exploring
possibilities rather than yapping about stuff I had only read
about or going on hearsay from others....





Mine were very like those - including the Coles 4001 supertweeter
that I added to the originals. (A friend built thme but when he
got married and moved into a small terraced house there was no
room for them. I paid £50 but the drive units at that time were
worth £130 so I don't think I did too badly?)


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com