I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post since deleted, so
I can't append), but don't bother now, I have grabbed a nice little Denon
PMA-510 from the local shop - which should do what I want without too much
fuss (heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz on me 'bike
and there's a 120" projection screen also, anyway!

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a search on the 'net to
see what is being said about them and found this (not the store I'm buying
from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Don't tell me it's not going to be as blamelessly *neutral* as the SS
Brigade would have us believe....??

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post since deleted, so
I can't append), but don't bother now, I have grabbed a nice little Denon
PMA-510 from the local shop - which should do what I want without too much
fuss (heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz on me 'bike
and there's a 120" projection screen also, anyway!

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a search on the 'net
to see what is being said about them and found this (not the store I'm
buying from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Don't tell me it's not going to be as blamelessly *neutral* as the SS
Brigade would have us believe....??

:-)


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound tuned"
on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on the
.................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

S.


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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post since deleted,
so I can't append), but don't bother now, I have grabbed a nice little
Denon PMA-510 from the local shop - which should do what I want without
too much fuss (heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz on
me 'bike and there's a 120" projection screen also, anyway!

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a search on the 'net
to see what is being said about them and found this (not the store I'm
buying from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Don't tell me it's not going to be as blamelessly *neutral* as the SS
Brigade would have us believe....??

:-)


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on the
................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.


OK. So far, so good - works for me! :-)

What about 'New Refined Sound Quality' then?

http://www.moirac.adsl24.co.uk/DenonPMA-510AE.jpg


Kinda implies that the older, similarly-priced model (PMA-500 I guess) had a
*lesser* sound quality, does it not?

(Can you see where I'm going with this? ;-)

"Keith G" wrote in message

I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post
since deleted, so I can't append), but don't bother now,
I have grabbed a nice little Denon PMA-510 from the local
shop - which should do what I want without too much fuss
(heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz
on me 'bike and there's a 120" projection screen also,
anyway!

200 pounds seems like a lot for a ca. 45 wpc integrated amp.

Heck, I just lately paid $80 for a 110 wpc Sony receiver, factory sealed,
authorized dealer, and full warranty.

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a
search on the 'net to see what is being said about them
and found this (not the store I'm buying from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Marketing.

May be hard to explain to someone is still all in a twitter because they
thought that "Perfect sound forever" meant that no CD player ever built
would wear out or otherwise become broken. ;-)

I have a Marantz CD player which claims its UK sound tuned, and yet Philips
do a similar box and they do sound slightly different, but to me its just a
bit less strident and may have a bit fully bass. Exactly what all this means
i have no idea, it would be interesting to compare two of the same model of
all these so called tuned machines and see what they are actually up to. Are
they all suggesting that different people on a county basis have different
ears or what?

Brian

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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...
I posted a request for amp recommendations recently (post since deleted,
so I can't append), but don't bother now, I have grabbed a nice little
Denon PMA-510 from the local shop - which should do what I want without
too much fuss (heat). Waiting for it to be delivered as I speak - I wuz on
me 'bike and there's a 120" projection screen also, anyway!

Anyway, I know nothing about them and thought I have a search on the 'net
to see what is being said about them and found this (not the store I'm
buying from):

http://www.weymouthhifi.co.uk/websit...20pma510ae.htm

'European sound tuned'....???

What's that all about then?

Don't tell me it's not going to be as blamelessly *neutral* as the SS
Brigade would have us believe....??

:-)


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on the
................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

S.


--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com

Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on
the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so special
tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers supplied by
an English manufacturer - stated reason then was the difference in the
type of music played east and west with regard to tonal range, and the
jap speakers not being suitable?

--
Adrian C

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on
the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so special
tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers supplied by
an English manufacturer - stated reason then was the difference in the
type of music played east and west with regard to tonal range, and the jap
speakers not being suitable?


Other reasons were the odd and complicated trading restrictions placed on
various imports after the war until way into the 60s and 70s (I believe) and
also that shipping relatively low value/high volume (in the dimensional
sense) halfway round the world wasn't too peachy in the days before modern,
container shipping.

In the same vein - there were a great number of 'high end' models of 'hifi
equipmen' from the various Jap manufactureres that never found their way
into Brit shops back then. If you knew of and wanted a top of the range
amplifier/tape deck/whatever you had to get it from someone on one of the
many Yank airbases here in East Anglia!

(It's not for nowt the local 'hifi' shop which I wuz in today for the first
time in a couple of years and which was founded back in those days is called
AN Audio - 'Anglo Nippon Audio!! ;-)

"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American
sound tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese
sound tuned", on the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a
difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so
special tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects
of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers
supplied by an English manufacturer - stated reason then was
the difference in the type of music played east and west with
regard to tonal range, and the jap speakers not being suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor
speakers ever made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and
imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and Euro-fi
the most noticable thing I find is that we Brits like our bass.
One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed it
sold. Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less
weight to the bass volume.

Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick
Brits so know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer
really sound like, rather than how we think we would like them to
sound.

Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells
well over here despite being vastly over priced. You have to go
digging to find it in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com

"Woody" wrote in message
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"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has "American sound
tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has "Japanese sound tuned", on
the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so special
tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers supplied by
an English manufacturer - stated reason then was the difference in the
type of music played east and west with regard to tonal range, and the
jap speakers not being suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor speakers ever
made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and Euro-fi the most
noticable thing I find is that we Brits like our bass.


Especially in little, hatchback cars....


One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed it sold.


Still does.



Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less weight to the
bass volume.


Enter the 'firewood horns' to save the day - note most modern designs are
from Europeans, most notably Germans....



Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick Brits so
know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer really sound like,
rather than how we think we would like them to sound.


There is more BS talked about concerts here than anything else - the one
thing you can't get (indoors or out) is a heavy, palpable bass at any
distance from the source, so why choose speakers that produce it...??


Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells well over
here despite being vastly over priced. You have to go digging to find it
in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


Well said - I'd buy that (well, most of it) for a dollar!

Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs happy, but it
has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my book!

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Woody" wrote in message
...
"Adrian C" wrote in message
...
Serge Auckland wrote:


Keith, it's called Marketing...on the US ones it has
"American sound tuned" on them, on the Japanese ones it has
"Japanese sound tuned", on the ................

Would love to be proved wrong, and there really is a
difference.

Addition of European required RF immunity components, and so
special tuning required to avoid the detrimental sound
effects of?

In days of old, Japanese products sold here had the speakers
supplied by an English manufacturer - stated reason then was
the difference in the type of music played east and west with
regard to tonal range, and the jap speakers not being
suitable?



Which makes a bit of a nonsense that one of the best monitor
speakers ever made - the Yamaha NS1000 - was made in Japan and
imported complete!

For anyone who has the 'honour' of comparing British and
Euro-fi the most noticable thing I find is that we Brits like
our bass.


Especially in little, hatchback cars....


One note bass it might have been but nonetheless if it boomed
it sold.


Still does.



Euro-fi tended (and still does to some extent) to veer
towards perceived clarity and stereo staging with much less
weight to the bass volume.


Enter the 'firewood horns' to save the day - note most modern
designs are from Europeans, most notably Germans....



Perhaps they go to more live concerts in Europe that we thick
Brits so know what an orchestra/organ/choir/jazz group/singer
really sound like, rather than how we think we would like them
to sound.


There is more BS talked about concerts here than anything
else - the one thing you can't get (indoors or out) is a heavy,
palpable bass at any distance from the source, so why choose
speakers that produce it...??


Observation: Bose kit with its well known one-note bass sells
well over here despite being vastly over priced. You have to
go digging to find it in Germany.

I rest my case M'Lud.


Well said - I'd buy that (well, most of it) for a dollar!

Stupid, thick, blurry *pistonic* bass may well keep the Chavs
happy, but it has no place in a decent 'audio system' in my
book!





Wah-hey! Support for once.

There is one 'application' where good bass is worthwhile and
where it does carry - (pipe) organ music.

Until the decision was made some years ago that they were 'too
big now' we used to have a pair of home built transmission line
speakers on the Dr. Arthur Bailey design published in Wireless
World in 1972 - the nearest commercial equivalent was the IMF
TLS80. Line up was KEF B139 and B110 with (in my case) T27
although the original design was for the (then no longer
obtainable) T15. They had an ease of listening that was beguiling
albeit at the expense of stereo staging.

The place where their bass ability really showed up was on pipe
organ pedals. I had a sampler disc - I think it might have been
Denon - which had a recording of Bach played on the organ of
Limburg cathedral. There was one sequence where there was a
descending scale played on pedal woods couple to pedal reeds; you
could hear every note - clearly - all the way down without
resonance, 'bloom,' or rattle - it was fantastic. For a short
while I had a borrowed pair of Cambridge R50's which used the
same drive units in a transmission line-ish structure - they are
the only other speakers that I have ever heard that could
reproduce that cadence with the same detail.

My speakers since then have been Spendor BC1's and (now) KEF Q5
(or is it Q55?) and neither have that ability to produce the
depth+clarity+'musicality' of the TL. :-((


--
Woody

harrogate three at ntlworld dot com